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== Requesting edits to protected pages and deletion of outdated files ==

This is a two-part request, both needs stem from this discussion started over a year ago: [[Wikinews:Deletion requests#825 sxw-files]], which has achieved general consensus from the community.

The first part can be handled by either a local or global sysop. The second part involves deleting several hundred files and would likely be best handled by a global sysop.
 
:# For the [[User:MGA73/Sandbox]] list, we need an admin to remove any links, broken or functional, to OpenOffice SXW files as was done here: [[Special:Diff/4805561]].
:# For the [[:Category:Print Edition (SXW)]], we need all listed OpenOffice SXW files deleted. 

If you have any questions, needs, or concerns, reach out to [[User:MGA73|MGA73]] or myself. 

Thank you in advance! —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 15:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

: If the file page does not have {{tl|Image info}} it might be a good idea to add that at the same time as the sxw part is removed. If my bot is granted a temporary admin status it might be able to fix most of the files in the first part and perhaps add the {{tl|Image info}} too. Just so you know the alternative. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 15:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, I am a global sysop, I am writing because i noticed a request. I wrote a script that will allow you to mass unprotect and protect sites. If you want, I can do it or show you how to use it. Regards, [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] ([[User talk:AramilFeraxa|talk]]) 08:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:: @[[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] Thank you. Can you please unprotect the files listed in [[User:MGA73/Sandbox]]? I will then fix the pages. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 08:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::: {{re|MGA73}} done. [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] ([[User talk:AramilFeraxa|talk]]) 08:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{re|AramilFeraxa}} Thank you very much. Now that you made your script could you also undelete the 3 I added here: [[Special:Diff/4806310]]? I know its a bit silly for only 3 files but its a shame not to use your script ;-) We also need to delete 821 files. I assume the other script you mentioned on meta can delete files? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 09:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::::: {{re|MGA73}} yes, one of my scripts can massdelete files. But I don't know exactly what you mean about those 3 files, since they are not deleted? [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] ([[User talk:AramilFeraxa|talk]]) 10:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::::: One more remark about massdelete - it would be better if the files were in some category :) [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] ([[User talk:AramilFeraxa|talk]]) 10:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::: {{re|AramilFeraxa}} I would like the protection removed for the 3 files. The files to be deleted are in a category ([[:Category:Print Edition (SXW)]] see dot 2 above). I also added them to a list [[Special:Diff/4806312]] just so they are easy to find in case someone will ever wonder which files were deleted. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 10:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: {{re|MGA73}} ok, sorry, I misunderstood :) I unprotected those files. And as for massdelete, I can do it, but maybe I would ask the flood flag because 821 pages is a bit much though :) [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] ([[User talk:AramilFeraxa|talk]]) 10:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]]. For Michael.C.Wright's reference, I am a local sysop and I may be able to assist quickly, I only need clearer instructions what needs to be done and up to two days to respond. Seems like a non urgent issue and I had no idea what steps are needed. If anything is needed in future a request can be made here with specific instructions. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Gryllida}} It would be a total waste of your time if you had to do 50+ edits like this [[Special:Diff/4806299]] manually when there are other ways to do it. I would personally think Wikinews benefit much more if you would spend the time write or review articles. Besides removing the sxw part the files are now fixed and removed from [[:Category:Files needing attention]]. As for the files that no longer have a protection the only question that remain is if they should be protected again. I think we should just leave the files as they are. There are 1102 files in [[:Category:Print Edition (PDF)]] and why only protect those 50+? If you would like to have the files protected we should protect all files. Or perhaps move them all to Commons and keep them there.
:About the 821 sxw files all that needs to be done is to delete them. If you want to do it you are ofcourse very welcome. I would however suggest that you "borrow" the script so you can also mass delete. I tried a similar script on Commons and they are nice. It takes a little time to set them up and get to know them. Much easier than to do it manually :-) --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 11:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::If you want to use my script for mass delete simply add <code>mw.loader.load('//meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AramilFeraxa/QD.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');</code> to your common.js and go to [[Special:QD]]. If you are not sure, let me know then I can do it :) [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] ([[User talk:AramilFeraxa|talk]]) 11:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] would you mind if we ask AramilFeraxa to delete the files? I think that if you have time to spare it would be better if you check the pages in [[:Category:Speedy deletion]]. Those probably need a local user. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 16:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
: [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] I do not know if you saw this notice. It may not be urgent but I see no reason not just to get this done and away from the list of things to do. So unless you would like to try mass delete I will ask AramilFeraxa to delete the files. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 16:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:MGA73|MGA73]], I've requested that [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] change the edit-protection on pages[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#c-Michael.C.Wright-20241203165500-Pages_to_update] listed in our update table. If she's unable to do that, I will request that AramilFeraxa do both items; 1. reduce protection on edit-protected pages listed in the table[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#pages-table] and 2. mass delete all listed SXW files[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Category:Print_Edition_(SXW)]. That way we only need to make one request of AramilFeraxa, if that makes sense. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 17:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
::: [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] The remaining changes are supposed to happen on December 16? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 17:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
::::The date we request the actual upgrade (change) by Phabricator is December 16. I would like to have {{tl|Current CC Version}} in place in as many pages as possible, as well as have the ability to change the rest manually before then. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 14:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::: Okay. See [[Wikinews_talk:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Pages_to_update]]. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 15:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] can you assign a flood flag for AramilFeraxa or is help needed from stewards? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 18:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

:Context? What is this for? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:54, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:: [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] for deleting the files in [[:Category:Print Edition (SXW)]]. It will show up in recent changes. If that is to be avoided a flood flag could be a solution. Or we could just say “so be it” and delete without the flag. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 04:56, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] Please open a request for it and it can stay open for 7 days. Then I will assign the flag if these is consensus. I hope that such delay does not get in the way sufficiently annoyingly for steward action to be required. If you have a proposal for another workflow or more sense of urgency please let me know, I am happy to consider it? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: I think a request is not needed. The discussion to delete the files was open for like a year. This is only about if the deletion of the files should be visible in recent changes or be hidden like bot edits. If you were deleting the files would you request a flood flag or would you just add it to yourself and delete? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 05:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::ok done, @[[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] now has pseudo-bot flag for a week. I'm happy to take it off by request when the task is completed. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I thought [[Special:Nuke]] or some other button would do it, if I had knowledge how to do it without manually pressing five buttons for each page then I would have done it now. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 05:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::cc @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] Thanks [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Is there something I need to do here? [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 06:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::If you know, how to delete all pages belonging to the category. There are 800 pages. I don't know how to delete them in one go. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] I think AramilFeraxa has their script that can be used - but I can't do it regardless as I'm not (yet) an admin. Or a script - but again requires admin rights. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 07:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
[[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] you now have a pseudo-bot flag so please help delete the files in [[:Category:Print Edition (SXW)]]. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 12:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] {{done}} all listed files have been deleted. [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] ([[User talk:AramilFeraxa|talk]]) 09:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]]! Thanks. You're no longer a bot (flood), I've just taken the flag away. What script/tool did you use for this? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[m:User:AramilFeraxa/QD.js]] and then [[Special:QD]]. [[User:AramilFeraxa|AramilFeraxa]] ([[User talk:AramilFeraxa|talk]]) 09:56, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Perhaps you can clean up the rest? Delete the no longer needed category etc.? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 10:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::category deleted. what is "etc"? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::: [[Template:PrinteditionSXW]]. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 12:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Ping [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]]. Template above can be deleted. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 20:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

'''Just a status:''' I think except deleting [[Template:PrinteditionSXW]] now everything have been taken care of or it is also listed in other requests. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 18:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
: [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] perhaps? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 15:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] Not sure why that needs to be deleted specifically? [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 16:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::: [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]], because we deleted all the sxw-files so it is not unused. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 17:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] Why not keep it depreciated instead? [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 03:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] works for me too if you prefer that. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 08:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
{{outdent|5}}I deprecated the template similar to {{tl|Archive}}. There are only two pages that link to it; this one and one in userspace specifically looking for untranscluded templates. 

Can an admin now edit-protect {{tl|PrinteditionSXW}}? 

Thank you! —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 14:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

:Done to an autoconfirmed level. This is not a high-use or high-risk template making admin-level protection unnecessary. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 15:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

== tracker for admin action for licence upgrade ==

Hi @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]] @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] @[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] (users involved in discussion and recently active admins)

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Set_date_of_actual_upgrade_(a_poll)

* i'd suggest asking [[WN:AAA]] two days ahead, listing what actions need to be done -- instead of granting user rights temporarily to a particular user (gaining concensus for this may take ages) @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]]

please '''detail what needs to be done exactly, here, now and include what is pending''' (i.e. reply from wmf legal) before it can be carried out. please do this immediately as a reply to this message, at your earliest convenience.

would be easier for me to know what will need to be done and when.

thanks! [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
: Is creating a task at the Phabricator necessary for licensing upgrade? I searched for existing tasks without avail. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 04:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:: @[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] yes it is needed. See [[:m:Requesting wiki configuration changes]]. As an example see ar.wikinews change [[:phab:T372730]]. I have not made the request yet because we are waiting for a reply from legal. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 07:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)


Hi @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]] @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] @[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] (users involved in discussion and recently active admins)

Thank you for the reply.

We need to prepare a draft of the request to phabricator. I did not read the one linked, I am busy and do not want to learn of it currently. Someone will need to write the request for here for English Wikinews. I would be happy to see the request text summarized on-wiki somewhere.

Also, what admin actions will need to be done on-wiki? I have no idea. It would be good to know now. 

Thank you. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Gryllida}} previously you wrote: {{tq|i'd suggest asking [[WN:AAA]] two days ahead, listing what actions need to be done...}} I did that six days ago.[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Admin_action_alerts&diff=prev&oldid=4805740]

:{{tq|[W]hat admin actions will need to be done on-wiki? I have no idea.}} We have organized the project here: [[Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade]]. In addition to the mass deletion request above, we have a long-standing request for admin asstance listed here: [[Wikinews:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Pages_to_update_when_license_is_updated_from_2.5_to_4.0]]. 

:{{tq|We need to prepare a draft of the request to phabricator. I did not read the one linked, I am busy and do not want to learn of it currently.}} If you are too busy and have no desire to read up on the project then please step back completely and we will work with global sysops. As stated, we've been trying for some time to work with local admins. We will continue to make the requests (as we have been doing) here at WN:AAA but we need to allow global sysops to do the work if local admin are too busy or don't want to read up on what's needed. It was decided in June that the community wants global sysops to assist us[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy&diff=prev&oldid=4783637]. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 15:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
::I'm available every day for last several months. I hope we can work something out together that helps to move things forward. There is a related discussion at my talk page about it. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 18:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

: {{re|Gryllida}} I made a suggestion for the phab ticket here: [[Wikinews:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Suggested_ticket]]. If legal does not reply soon and we get very close on the date we can always add a "pretty please with sugar on the top" etc. because the admins will have very short time to fix. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 16:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:RockerballAustralia|RockerballAustralia]] @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]] @[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] (users involved in discussion and recently active admins)

Thank you for your reply. I cannot read about the other issues here straight away, first I would like to respond to the issue about licence. I received message about phab ticket draft. I don't know what changes are requested exactly, but it reads okay to me. If it is possible to clarify what configuration changes are being requested, I think it would be better.

I received the link to page describing what needs to be changed. I understand now why a date was needed. I asked a question at its talk page about one of the pages involved. I think I can try to do these edits on the date.

Are you comfortable actioning this without prior legal advice? I'm not. If Legal don't respond by the date, I'd be more comfortable postponing it. Keen to know your thoughts.

Thank you. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 18:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

:Do you want the [[Wikinews:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Pages_to_update_when_license_is_updated_from_2.5_to_4.0|this list]] to be actioned immediately -- for example, today -- or wait until the actual date? I understood you don't want to wait. If this is the case, I'm comfortable implementing this changes within around two days after I get a confirmation that you don't want to wait for reply from Legal team first. I would prefer to wait for it, personally, unless there is some information I am missing (for example, how did other wikis implement this -- if they did it in exactly same way then there is less cause for concern). Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 18:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

:: I think that the pages where "<nowiki>{{Current CC Version}}</nowiki>" is to be added can be changed now. Pages where 2.5 is to be changed to 4.0 should be changed on the day (if possible). I tried to make it clear in the table what needs to be changed for each page.  --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 18:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:::[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] Thanks, I'll try to understand it. There are 13 items marked as 'not done' or 'partially done'. Two of them are pending date. Do you want me to do the remaining 11 items now?  Does someone filing and implementing a phabricator ticket precede this, or can this be done immediately? I didn't understand what is to be done through phabricator ticket. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I can't edit [[MediaWiki:Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js]], interfaceadmin required. I requested this permission '''[[Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions/InterfaceAdmin/Gryllida|here]]'''. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

:::: @ [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] I added a column with "when" where I wrote if I think the change should be done "now" or "on date". Now can also be tomorrow or on sunday. It is just to indicate if the change can be done before the date or not. It will be good to get things done so they can be checked and so there are not a lot of pages to change at the same time. Also "on date" can also mean the day after because some pages like the audio pages are probably not highly visible so it will not break anything if the change happens a bit later. The important pages are the MediaWiki pages. 
:::: @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] If you do not agree you are ofcourse welcome to change the time.
:::: Perhaps there should be a top notice about the change and maybe also a notice on the Water cooler? I have not included any of those. Just an idea. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 16:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Hi [[User:MGA73|MGA73]], 
:::::*For admin actions requried: there is only two pages to make edits 'now' , [[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning]] and [[Wikinews:Social media]]. I did these edits. 
::::::*I would like to confirm that it worked, for the first one; documentation says the text is visible under the edit box when editing a page. Yet, for example, <span class="plainlinks">[https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_issues_arrest_warrants_for_Netanyahu,_Gallant,_and_Deif_over_alleged_war_crimes_in_Israel-Hamas_war?action=edit&veswitched=1 this]</span> does not show the text from [[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning]]. Where is it visible?
:::::*I also protected {{tl|Current CC Version}}, as it can be vulnerable to vandalism.
:::::Please let me know if any further action is required now. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 18:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::: @ [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] I think it looks fine! --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 18:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|Gryllida}} There are more edits that need to be made as soon as possible. Please see this request: [[Wikinews_talk:2024_Copyright_license_upgrade#Pages_to_update]]

:::::::Also, can you please reduce the level of protection on {{tl|Current CC Version}} so that I can edit it without requesting it be edited by an admin? Thank you. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 14:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I checked, I will continue later, as after two hours of handling queue of editprotected I am exhausted.
::::::::I do not plan to reduce protection. This template is important with legal implications and needs to be changed infrequently. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:09, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:There are a few places that say "artle after 2005 is cc 2.5" where replacing "cc 2.5" with a template, and putting "CC 4" into the template later, will make it factually incorrect. Right? What is the plan for this? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@ [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] I made a suggestion in [[Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade#pages-table]] some time ago. Is there one of the suggestions you think should be modified? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 14:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Just to link all the scattered discussions: this was also addressed recently here[https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:PD-Article&diff=prev&oldid=4807557]. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 15:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes. For example, the table lists [[Template:PD-Article]]. In it the text says "Please note that this only applies to Wikinews content created prior to September 25, 2005. All content created after that date is released under a Creative Commons license which is mentioned at the bottom of each article. This is currently the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License."
::::Replacing it with "Please note that this only applies to Wikinews content created prior to September 25, 2005. All content created after that date is released under a Creative Commons license which is mentioned at the bottom of each article. This is currently the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License." would be confusing because it omits that articles before December 16 were under another licence. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::::: I agree on that. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 04:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
'''Just a status:''' I think this have been taken care of. Only open issue is discussion archived articles. See [[#Deploy new archive templates to old articles]] below. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 18:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Page unusable ==

someone please make this work for me, the 'reply' link bugs out on any section on this page, cc [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] Thanks :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] {{done}}. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 06:08, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! Why did [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=4807428&oldid=4807341 it] work? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] Because [[mw:DiscussionTools]] does not know how to handle borders. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 06:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::::👍. Is this issue on phab? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 06:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I don't know. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 06:38, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::[[phab:T381559]] added. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

== article archival ==

It has been brought up elsewhere that articles are not archived properly recently. Could someone please either assist or advise me how this needs to be done, thanks. cc @[[User:George Ho|George Ho]], @[[User:Acagastya|Acagastya]], @[[User:Bddpaux|Bddpaux]], regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:For all currently published articles not archived, part of the archival process should include deploying {{tl|Archived-cc-2.5}} instead of {{tl|Archived}}. We have an action-item for this to be completed as part of the [[Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade#Archive published articles]]. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 16:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
::ok i will add it to those since last archival [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 18:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== Deploy new archive templates to old articles ==

As part of the [[Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade]] project, we need to deploy new archive templates to old articles in order to convey the fact that the old articles are licensed under an old copyright license. Because archived articles are edit-protected, this work must be done by either a local or global admin. 

This work can be done immediately:

# For all articles in [[:Category:Public domain articles]], replace {{tl|Archived}} or {{tl|Archive}} with {{tl|Archived-PD}}
# For all remaining articles that include {{tl|Archived}} or {{tl|Archive}}, replace with {{tl|Archived-cc-2.5}}

You can read a full discussion about this need here: [[Wikinews talk:2024 Copyright license upgrade#Mark all articles with cc-by-2.5?]]

Your assistance is greatly appreciated! —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 16:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC); edited 14:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
: Great! I have asked at meta if there are someone who have a good idea how this can be done now that community is not very active and it can take weeks to get 5 people to vote. Lets see if someone have a good idea. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 18:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
::i will close the request on Sunday lets see if it gets five votes by then. i hope it gives you enough time to get started. do you already have the code? can i look at it? i think @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] is planning to implement this. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 18:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] This is straightforward to implement - I'm waiting for the bot approval request first. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 04:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] Also see {{tl|PD-Article}} which I can see on the PD articles - I presume that needs to be removed? [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 09:26, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::::It wasn't my intention to remove {{tl|PD-Article}}. I was trying to keep the changes to a minimum and keep it as simple as possible. However, if you guys think it's better/cleaner to have the one template serve both purposes (notify of CC license and archived status), I can very easily update the verbiage of {{tl|Archived-PD}}. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 14:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

As an example lets look at [['Incident' at East London tube station]]. The existing text is this:
<pre>
 {{PD-Article}}
{{archive}}
</pre>

After the change it should only say:
<pre>
{{Archived-PD}}
</pre>

So the task is to find all variants of the two templates (PD-Article and PD article) + (Archive and Archived) no matter the order of those template and replace them with Archived-PD.

The tricky part is that there are lots of ways to make it hard for someone to find all cases. In the example above there is a space before the template. And other variants could be:
<pre>
{{PD article }}
{{ PD article}}
{{Template:PD article}}
{{PD_article}}
</pre>

And the two templates could be right after eachother on the same line, there could be a space or a linebreak or there could be a category between them.

So my guess is that the easiest is to make a bot run and once complete then make a list of pages that was not changed and see why not.

It might be easier if temporary categories are added untill all are fixed. But I guess [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] will be the best judge of that. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 11:17, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] I think [[mw:Manual:Pywikibot/template.py]] should be able to handle all of this - I do not foresee this to be an issue right now. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 12:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

::{{ping|MGA73|Leaderboard}} {{tl|Archived-PD}} doesn't reference or mention the public domain license. It merely states the fact the article is archived and no longer edit-able. My intention was to leave {{tl|PD article}} in place (fewer moving parts or things to touch/change). 

::However, if the thought is doing it all in one template is better and is easy to accomplish, I can change the verbiage in {{tl|Archived-PD}}. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 14:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] I personally think that two templates isn't needed, but either way, let me know. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 01:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] and [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] If only one template is needed for articles licensed cc-by-2.5 (and 4.0) then I think it would make sense also only to use one template for articles licensed PD. I think that if replace.py is used the two templates can be replaced by one template with only one edit where the use of template.py would require two edits? But it is not a big deal to me so I will support both options. Template.py is probably safer so we can easily defend any extra edits. So don't let me keeping you from putting Leaderbot to work. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 19:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I have updated the verbiage of {{tl|Archived-PD}} by copying the pertinent text from {{tl|PD-Article}}. We are now okay to proceed as follows:
:::::# For all articles in [[:Category:Public domain articles]], replace {{tl|Archived}} or {{tl|Archive}} and {{tl|PD-Article}} with {{tl|Archived-PD}} (removing two templates and placing one new template)
:::::# For all remaining articles that include {{tl|Archived}} or {{tl|Archive}}, replace with {{tl|Archived-cc-2.5}}
:::::I have also updated the action item in the project page. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 14:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] and @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] First part {{done}} - there were some initial edge case bugs which were quickly fixed. I'll do the second part tomorrow or so - there's a lot more articles to process. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 16:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] and @[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] Second part {{done}}. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 06:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
@[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] and [[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]]: Great. But what about [[:Category:News briefs]]? They are a sort of articles too? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 15:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sort of. Here are two conversations about briefs and/or shorts: [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/miscellaneous/archives/2024/September#The_Future?], [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals/archives/2018/October#c-Pi_zero-2018-10-10T05:54:00.000Z-Gryllida-2018-10-10T05:03:00.000Z] They should likely be treated with the same {{tl|Archived-cc-2.5}} and possibly even {{tl|Archived-PD}} in some cases. {{ping|Leaderboard}}, could the script be used in this case as well? We would need to go through and somehow ensure they get the right template based on the date of publication though. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 18:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] It could yes, but should they also be fully-protected (as most of them don't seem to be right now)? [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 06:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I believe we should while we have the momentum, the awareness, and the active admins to do so. I believe that since some are already edit-protected and our [[WN:Archive]] conventions (official policy) support it, doing so ''should'' be uncontroversial. There is the question of [[w:Chesterton's fence]] that could be applied. Maybe [[User:Heavy Water|Heavy Water]] is aware of some historical, functional reason many of our archived news briefs aren't edit protected and should remain so. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 13:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I would say go ahead. Worst thing that can happen is that they have to be unprotected. No big deal. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 21:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] and @[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] {{done}} - the only problem was that the bot ended up flooding RC since the bot status was not applied for the protection part for some reason. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 06:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] In the future there will probably not be mass protections of pages so it should not be a problem. But looking at [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Archived]] it seems there are still some left? --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 08:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] Fixed some of them; the others seem to be irrelevant (such as discussion/talk pages)? Let me know if there are content pages that still need template change/protection. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 10:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] yes the discussions should not be changed. As far as I can tell there are [https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AArchived&namespace=4&hidelinks=1&limit=50 two Briefs left]. --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 10:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] {{done}} [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 11:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

{{ping|Michael.C.Wright|Gryllida|Leaderboard}} I think it was a great idea to fix archived articles like this. Also I know it was a bit frustrating sometimes to make this work when discussions ended up in multiple places and it was not fully clear what needed to be changed and when. Thank you everyone for all the involvement in the license change! --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 11:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

== licence upgrade today ==

planning as follows:

1. awaiting https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T381421 to be deployed

2. edit [[Template:Current CC Version]], [[MediaWiki:Copyright-footer]], [[MediaWiki:Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js]], [[Template:Main about]], [[Wikinews:Copyright]], [[Template:PD-Article]], , [[Wikinews:Audio guide]], [[Wikinews:Audio Wikinews/About]], [[Wikinews:Audio_Wikinews/Cheat_Sheet]], [[Wikinews:Audio Wikinews/News Briefs/Show/Templates]] (12 pages) as per [[Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade]]

3. someone can proofread and check i did correctly

current status: awaiting item 1 from phab

regards, [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:Note: I don't know what item 1 does and where it is visible? Thanks. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 01:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:phab request seems [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?diff=4810387&oldid=4810386 done] ... I am doing the other edits a.s.a.p [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:42, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:template current cc version - done
:[[MediaWiki:Copyright-footer]] done
:https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js ignoring for now low priority
:[[Template:Main about]] seems no action needed
:[[Wikinews:Copyright]] done
:[[Template:PD-Article]] done
:audio stuff - to be done soon [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 08:47, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] First about the change in phab. You can see the change at 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php$11131 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php$11142. The content of those lines are
<pre>
	'enwikinews' => 'https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/',
	'enwikinews' => 'Creative Commons Attribution 4.0',
</pre>
But next time someone changes anything the lines will no longer be 11131 and 11142. So unless someone know a better way to link to those lines it is just to go to the page and search for the text.

The page [[Wikinews:Copyright]] says <date> two places. It should either be December 16 or 15. I think a native English speaker should decide the wording because From 15 could both mean starting with 16 or starting with 15.

Except for that one page (and [[MediaWiki:Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js]]) I think all pages are fixed.

Thank you!!! --[[User:MGA73|MGA73]] ([[User talk:MGA73|talk]]) 10:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:"<date>" filled in as 16th [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 10:48, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Note that the template changes to [[Template:PD-Article]] and [[Template:Current CC Version]] still need to be sighted. And speaking of that some reviewer should probably go through [[Special:PendingChanges]] - there are changes that have been pending sighting for almost a year, although most of them are trivial. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 18:29, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:sighted both (though i was the one doing the edits, i think it's fair as it was extensively discussed previously). if any issues please ask, i'm happy to fix. thanks @[[User:Pppery|Pppery]] regards [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:45, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Articles needing archived ==

We need an admin to [[WN:Archive|archive]] many of the articles that are published, but not archived. The process is temporarily unique in that as a result of our recent project [[Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade]], all articles published before December 16 will need to have {{tl|Archived-cc-2.5}} placed on them to reflect our old license. Articles published after December 16 will receive {{tl|Archived}} as normal. 

The following DPL should work for identifying pages that need to be archived:

<pre>
<DynamicPageList>
allowcachedresults = true
category=Published
notcategory=Archived
notcategory=AutoArchived
notcategory=Retracted articles
namespace=wiki
addfirstcategorydate=true
</DynamicPageList>
</pre>

Let me know if you have any questions regarding the two templates, or the project and thank you in advance for the help! —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 16:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

== Replace redirect code at template:archive ==

I have made an edit request at the following: [[Template talk:Archived]] but the edit is needed at [https://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Archive&redirect=no Template:Archive], which is redirected to [[Template:Archived]]. The redirect also affects the talk page. So to be clear, I'm posting here as well. Please see the [[Template_talk:Archived#Remove_Template:Archive_redirect_and_replace_with_error_message|full request here]]. —[[User:Michael.C.Wright|Michael.C.Wright]] (<sup>[[User_talk:Michael.C.Wright|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[:Category:Michael.C.Wright_(Wikinewsie)|Published]]</sub>) 16:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|talk]]) 05:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)