Talk:Colonial India

Khalidkhoso 21:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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Crown colony?

Had India ever been a crown colony of the United Kingdom? As far as I know there was a separate India Office. The British Administration in India did not report to the Colonial Office. — Instantnood 21:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Help please

I am very interested in colonial India. I am also doing a historical atlas of India. I would be very happy if I could get a lot of information on this topic. I have also contributed a map of India in 1761. User:thelivinglegend —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 12:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Merger from European colonies in India

I guess European colonies in India can be merged into this article because all colonies in India were European. Please enlist your support/opposition below.--Victor D ^PARLE 20:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• Support --Victor D ^PARLE 20:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Colonisation of India

Why do we consider the begining of colonisation of India from the arrival of the Europeans.

Shouldn't we include the Islamic sultanates (persian / turkish / afghans) invasions also as colonisation ? After all the moghuls also colonised india, spread their religion, controlled every aspect of the Indian lives (economy, politics etc). How different is that from the British ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidsin (talk • contribs) 07:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Macedonians and Romans were not Europeans in the modern sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.237.187.113 (talk) 08:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

British section is flawed copy and paste effort

Regarding the British section, I notice that some new text was added, and then in this edit, then that text was replaced by text take from this section and this section.

Now one problem with this is that it was just copied and pasted from the article so that links and images didn't get copied across correctly. I guess I'll do a better copy now.

Another problem is that duplication of content is problematic as the multiple copies of the text should be kept in sync. ICouldBeWrong (talk) 11:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Links (references) and images now work in British section. Problem of duplicated content remains outstanding. ICouldBeWrong (talk) 12:13, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Colonial India and such topics

I believe there has been some mistake in the picture used as the colonial India everywhere in wikipedia. British India was divided into Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, but why is the picture highlighting Nepal as part of colonial India or British India? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjunpokharel10 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

France colony start in 1673 not 1769

Someone need to change the date of etablishement of french india from 1769 to 1673, the year Pondicherry became a french "comptoire" 1769 is the end of french east india compagny, but not the start of france colonial era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.115.162.223 (talk) 17:08, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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Removal Turkey

Turkey never had a colony in India, barring Islamic invasions and Hindu holocaust of pre-colonial sultanate period. Remove this Colonial India#Turkish from this article as this is misplaced. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 07:36, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Student addition

I'm moving the following text here, as it's written as too much of an essay. I figure that putting it here means that it can be worked on. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:02, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Removed text, collapsing because of length

Indian Migration to Portugal Being that Portugal was first European Country to set up their trading docks, one would expect that a significant percent of the migrants in Portugal to be Indian, given the anthesis of our null hypothesis. In 2008, the total population in Portugal was10.6 million, with 0.66% of the total legal immigrant population being of Indian Origin. Indians were initially brought into Portugal as slaves before the fall of the Portuguese Imperial empire. The social profile of Indians in Portugal can be broken down into different states of origin. Portugal consists of Indians who emigrated from both of its former colonies in Mozambique, located in Africa, and in Goa, which is located in India. As folks from Gujarat came following the end of Portuguese rule, in 1974, they were able to assimilate into the Portuguese culture and keep their culture values. Keeping their culture and language alive created a community network for others from the same state. This helped created ties to “newer stream of Gujaratis who came in the 1980’s and 1990’s directly from India”. The Goans that came from both Goa and Mozambique after the end of the Portuguese rule, both had good fortune in being well integrated both politically and socio-economically. Socioeconomically, “according to the High Level Committee Report on the Indian Diaspora (Singhvi et al., 2001) most Indians in Portugal are in retail or the wholesale business and some serve as skilled or unskilled workers”. In addition, many Indians also occupy white collar jobs. While some wield considerable social and economic power, others are economically disadvantaged, even depending on Portuguese state protection.” Recently cases of illegal immigration from India through other European countries also increased, these immigrants working as unskilled or semi-skilled labour.” Being that Portuguese Immigration Laws were lax for the ex-colonizes and the EU’s funding to allow growth in the construction industry, many people from Punjab have emigrated over after 1996. However, as Table 1 indicates overall emigration to Portugal from India, though is always rising, comparatively is very low. According to the Migration Policy Institute, as of 2015 Portugal has 837,000 immigrants, 8,000 of which are Indian. Being that less .10% (.96%) of immigrants in Portugal are India, it seems that even after the long-standing colonial ties, Portugal is not a popular destination for Indian immigrants. No data was found on the average salary of the Indian workforce in Portugal. Indian Migration to the Netherlands The two century of Dutch rule in India would lead one to believe that there would be a strong reflection of Indians in the Netherland’s current population. As of 2001, the Non Residential Indian/Persons of Indian Origin community along with the Indian Embassy has estimated there to be 220,000 people of Indian descent to be in the Netherlands. The majority of Indians live in the Capital, Amsterdam and its neighboring city, Amstelveen. According to the Central Bureau for Statistics in 2016, the total population of the Netherlands was 16,979,120 with the total number of legal immigrants being 3,752,291, while 32,682 were of Indian Origin. The total Indian population seems to fall short, surprisingly the “Netherlands [has] the second largest population of people of Indian origin in Europe. The spike in population from 2004 onward can be attributed to new labor policies in the Netherlands were meant to recruit  “highly-qualified employees with a background in information technology, consultancy, engineering, management, etc”, as well as the growth of the communal network through the presence of a fast-growing number of Indian companies in the region. As of 2015, The Migration Policy Institute states that out of the 1,979,000 immigrants in the Netherlands, 23,000 are Indian. This means that 1.2% of immigrants in the Netherlands are Indian. Socioeconomically, when compared to other immigrant groups in the Netherlands, Indian immigrants have made significant social and economic progress and have rendered more success when compared to other immigrant groups. Socioeconomically “the overall level of education statistical data from the CBS reveal that the second generation of Hindustanis (35 and older) have been doing better than the previous generation and slightly better than the Afro-Surinamese. At present, 60% of Hindustani men and 57% of women in the age-group 15 to 64 are in employment. Predictably, the (level of) their employment depends on their educational background. In 1998, approximately one-quarter of working Hindustanis were in the public sector, 11% worked in the non-profit sector, and 63% in the private sector. According to Choenni, an increasing number of Hindustanis are active as entrepreneurs in a wide variety of shops, restaurants, etc. The participation of so-called non-western immigrants in higher education has increased significantly amongst the second generation.” Compared to the average worker in the Netherlands, highly-skilled migrants who come to the Netherlands to be employed have a gross annual income in between or €36,801to €50,183, as compared to the average €36,500 of a non-migrant worker. Indian migration to the UK According to the Migration Policy Institute, as of 2015, the UK has 8,543,000 immigrants, out of which 777,000 were Indian. There is an overall upward trend in Indian the number of Indian Citizens in the United Kingdom. In the 20th century the highest migration to the United Kingdom was to England from 1955–1975 with one of the district housing 13,000 Indians: 46% of whom were from Punjab, 43.3% were from Gujarat. When surveys about reasons for migration, Over 50% of both Punjabis and Gujaratis said they were attracted by economic, and status based factors. The labor shortages in the UK were key in migration opportunities for many Indians: who served in the British army from 1857 eventually took up positions in the police and army sector; many also found work in the “manufacturing, textile, and service” industries. In terms of pay the median household income of white Britons stood at between £25,600 and £27,000, while the median for the Indian community stood at around £25,300. Indian Migration To France When looking at France, one would assume its 274-year presence in India to also play a significant role which would pave the way for migration from India. According to the Migration Policy Institute, there are 48,000 Indians in France out of the 7,748,000 immigrants already, constituting a .62% to the overall immigration population. Indian migration was first introduced into France when the French hired Indians as servants. Soon after, a 1681 law pushed for non-white arrivals in France to be declared; dating the first definite record of an Indian living in France to be in 1724. A 1777 census indicated that there were around 200 Indians living in France during that time; by 1850 most labors came from British India. From 1914 to 1949 “some Punjabi and Gujarati businessmen continued to arrive in Paris, trading in specialist industries and luxury goods and throughout this period there continued to be a steady though very small stream of students… and skilled workers [who] expatriates in transnational corporations.” Socioeconomically Indians, seem to be employed in less secure occupations, sometimes working illegally in factories, yet after a certain period have managed to set themselves up in businesses with the support of community networks. In terms of demographics in “2009 there were 31,142 people who were born in India that were living in France [while] roughly half had adopted a French Citizenship.” France’s migration policy history has been linked to economic labor needs, as seen in the European Countries discussed prior. Socio-economically for those in “France who have retained Indian nationality there is overall an 83% rate of employment, meaning around 17% of Indians in France with Indian nationality are unemployed, a fairly high rate. For the unrecorded part of the French-Indian population, perhaps over 50,000 people, no employment data is available."

Capitalism and extreme poverty: A global analysis of real wages, human height, and mortality since the long 16th century

I am not sure if this is ripe yet for inclusion in the article, but I thought I would place it here for other editors to digest & to look for corroborating sources.

• Sullivan, Dylan; Hickel, Jason (2022-12-02). "How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years - History". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2022-12-08.
• Sullivan, Dylan; Hickel, Jason (2023). "Capitalism and extreme poverty: A global analysis of real wages, human height, and mortality since the long 16th century". World Development. 161. Elsevier BV: 106026. doi:10.1016/j.worlddev.2022.106026. ISSN 0305-750X.

Peaceray (talk) 18:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)