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Hi Sandstein. Thanks as always for your hard work at AE. This is just to let you know that in the Rich Farmbrough request you wrote, "He obtained the first, two-week block for violating a similar community restriction in November 2013." I am guessing that should be November 2012 instead? I see he was blocked for violating editing restrictions in both November 2011 and November 2012, so it's probably best to be clear about which one it is. Best — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 01:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC) |
Hi Sandstein. Thanks as always for your hard work at AE. This is just to let you know that in the Rich Farmbrough request you wrote, "He obtained the first, two-week block for violating a similar community restriction in November 2013." I am guessing that should be November 2012 instead? I see he was blocked for violating editing restrictions in both November 2011 and November 2012, so it's probably best to be clear about which one it is. Best — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 01:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC) |
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Sandstein, I think you closed this prematurely. I had intended to note that I think it is very far from clear that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohan_Deep&diff=prev&oldid=546419082 this] was done using automation; I find it very easy to mess up the single quotes in just this manner using entirely manual processes. Additionally, in determining the length of the block, you appear to be using the fact that he disagrees with the restriction against him, which doesn't make sense or seem reasonable. I would have written earlier, but I took your first comment there as an appeal to wait (I think now that I misread you). In any case, I think it would be best to leave this open a bit longer for more discussion. Thank you, [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 05:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC) |
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Hi, admittedly because I am not an Admin, I did not have the ability to look at previous versions of this article to see why it was deleted prior to the creation of the most recent version. However I was trying to establish WP:Notability via that the subject is considered a crossover performer with work as a mainstream (non-Adult industry) model and fitness competitor. I referenced IAFd.com because its the Adult industry standard for performer information as well as the subject's Twitter account because she commented directly on her use of her alias for mainstream work and subsequently why she decided to stop using it.
There are other references available to cite regarding her mainstream work, but I honestly thought I'd have more time to add them and expand the article. The deletion process happened so fast, the article was gone before I even knew that it had been nominated.
If you would provide copies of the previous articles and the most recent version, I'm willing to work on creating an article that meets Notability and BLP guidelines, hopefully to your satisfaction. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 20:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- OK, userfied at User:Scalhotrod/Janet Mason. Sandstein 20:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Wonderful, thank you! In your opinion, what would you say this article needs most? I'd like to think that you provided me access on the basis that you feel there is something of merit in the subject matter, so the benefit of your experience, input, and insight is important to me. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- No, actually I have no opinion about the merits here, just routinely giving you the opportunity to salvage the article. What it would need is references to substantial coverage in reliable sources per WP:GNG. Right now it doesn't even have any reliable sources, so per WP:BLP I'll have to re-delete it in a week or so if it is not improved. Sandstein 14:04, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. Is AVN (Adult Video News) considered a WP:RS? I know of sources for her mainstream work, but I have to compile those. I have the same question regarding IAFD.com, its considered the standard reference for the Adult industry similar to how IMDb.com is used. Also, any particular problems with PORNBIO? According to information I've found, she qualifies under all three categories. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 01:12, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar with these websites, but user-published content such as IMDB is not considered reliable. If there are reliable sources for meeting the topic-specific notability criteria, that would work also, but such determinations are often controversial, so in that case I recommend that you submit the improved article to WP:DRV for review. Sandstein 13:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Would appreciate your help
Hi Sandstein. You may recall that User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman asked me to restore a deleted article so she/he could view it. Some of the content of the deleted article has been added to Politics of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, and I'm not sure how to preserve the attribution.
WP:Copying within Wikipedia#Reusing deleted material is confusing me. Is attribution to the deleted article sufficient? I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:08, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Well, the guideline says "If an article is deleted, its history is removed and thus its content cannot be reused on Wikipedia—even under the same article title—unless attribution is otherwise provided". This would seem to mean, to me, that there would have to be a user-visible attribution somewhere, e.g. on the article talk page, that explains who wrote which content. Sandstein 08:42, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:32, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
AE request
Please refer to this. Evidence of long-term cross-wiki and off-project harassment may not be best suited to AE, but I sincerely thought that it should be known that there are issues which are directly (even if not overtly) related to the current request. If these issues are not best dealt with at AE, then would you be amenable to my suggestion at that diff above. That being have the iban breach dealt with at the AE, I strike everything not related to that breach and consider filing a request in future at WP:RFAR to have the larger and longer-terms issues dealt with. You stated that the off-this project diffs are outside the scope of this project's dispute resolution process -- this may hold true for WP:AE, but it does not hold true for Arbcom, who are able to look at off-project harassment, and consider that as part of disputes on this project. This would be a better solution yes?
I would also appreciate it if you could please allow a second or third or fourth set of eyes have a look at the request in question, after you consider the above, and before you act unilaterally on the AE request. The more uninvolved admin eyes that look at an issue, the better.
I know that we have to lessen bullshit on this project, and I simply want to be left alone by editors and get down to the business of what we are here to do. Russavia (talk) 10:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- I have gone ahead and removed, with my apologies, what you deem to be unnecessary for this AE request. I am sincere in this, and I sincerely hope you will take this into overall consideration with your comments, but my request for more eyes stands if you don't mind? Russavia (talk) 10:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Your removal of parts of your statement is noted and, I think, appropriate. It is up to you whether you want to file a request for arbitration, but as far as I know the Committee normally does not consider off-project conduct to fall within its remit. As to additional admin opinions, I welcome them if they are added soon, but I feel that requests of this sort (reflecting longstanding feuds between groups of editors) should normally be closed as quickly as possible to prevent them from escalating uncontrollably and spawning off ever more sub-disputes. Sandstein 11:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for comments. In relation to Arbcom, they do indeed consider off-project conduct and have a long history of such -- the EEML case itself is one such example; although that clearly had on-project consequences. There are other instances where off-project conduct has resulted in indefinite blocks on this project in the past. In regards to your comments "We will still need to address the violation of Russavia's interaction ban that occurred by him raising these other issues here in the first place." could I ask that you not take any action against myself in this regard. Firstly, it has been a long time since I've had to use AE (for crying out loud, it would be great if we didn't have to require AE in the first place), and I actually was not aware that on-this-project-only diffs were only required. Now I know of course. Also, I took your comments regarding me not providing diffs as an indirect instruction to provide those links, whether they be off-or-on project. This should be taken into consideration, and no action should be taken against myself, except for perhaps a reminder to remember in future only to post overtly relevant diffs to an AE report, and deal with other issues elsewhere, such as at Arbcom. Russavia (talk) 03:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Your removal of parts of your statement is noted and, I think, appropriate. It is up to you whether you want to file a request for arbitration, but as far as I know the Committee normally does not consider off-project conduct to fall within its remit. As to additional admin opinions, I welcome them if they are added soon, but I feel that requests of this sort (reflecting longstanding feuds between groups of editors) should normally be closed as quickly as possible to prevent them from escalating uncontrollably and spawning off ever more sub-disputes. Sandstein 11:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Request
Will do. Apologies for delay - tactile issues due to accessibility keyboard so cant do links very well. Have never consistantly managed on-wiki diffs so I usually do as external links. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you
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For all your hard work at AE. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 12:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC) |
Thanks - I appreciate it! Sandstein 13:32, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Rich Farmbrough AE case
Hi Sandstein. Thanks as always for your hard work at AE. This is just to let you know that in the Rich Farmbrough request you wrote, "He obtained the first, two-week block for violating a similar community restriction in November 2013." I am guessing that should be November 2012 instead? I see he was blocked for violating editing restrictions in both November 2011 and November 2012, so it's probably best to be clear about which one it is. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 01:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Sandstein, I think you closed this prematurely. I had intended to note that I think it is very far from clear that this was done using automation; I find it very easy to mess up the single quotes in just this manner using entirely manual processes. Additionally, in determining the length of the block, you appear to be using the fact that he disagrees with the restriction against him, which doesn't make sense or seem reasonable. I would have written earlier, but I took your first comment there as an appeal to wait (I think now that I misread you). In any case, I think it would be best to leave this open a bit longer for more discussion. Thank you, ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 05:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)