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Does it not make more sense to use a picture of Yuschenko that actually looks like him? Yes, the present one represents him as he has been, but for the sake of being to date at least, shouldn't the picture be present and represent Yuschenko as he is now?
Disagree. A couple of month ago there was an extensive discussion which photo to put in the leading section. We've reached consensus at that point. Sashazlv 16:15, 11 September 2001(UTC)
If you compare the photo currently in place and what Yuschenko actually looks like, they are quite literally not recognizable as the same person. I would normally agree with putting the official photo up instead of the current if he'd just dyed his hair or gotten a nasty scar or something, but this is drastic. The dude does not look like the same person. I've left the photo alone for now, but I just can't understand why the current picture is being used.-Umlautbob
I agree with Jamandell, 138.92.190.195, and Umlautbob: a passport photo has to be replaced by law if the person is not any longer recognisable. Similarly, the Wikipedia photo should be replaced since Yushchenko is not any longer recognisable from it. David Haardt
I came onto talk because I assumed that the photo was of the wrong person. The function of a photographic portrait is to render a likeness of the person: this one patently does not. I would suggest that this older likeness be included farther down the page, perhaps in the section on Dioxin poisoning, to show a before/after contrast, but that the main picture for the article be of him as he is recognisable today. Kevin McE13:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with all the previous posts. The purpose of the photo is so that the man can be recognised and should therefore show him as he is today. Whatever the reason for his current appearance, many people will only have ever seen him in the state he now is and people simply won't recognise the photo we are using at the moment. 84.65.218.5521:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Gone ahead and edited it. There just was no good excuse to use the "prettier" version of him. I've left that in the article and labeled it "pre-poisoning."Umlautbob04:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Agree- As I said above, the "official portrait" might as well be a different person altogether. It is that different. Umlautbob05:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The text of one of the pictures says "Yushchenko at the University of Amsterdam, with chloracne from TCDD dioxin poisoning (2006).". Look at the background: I think the picture is made in the Nieuwe Kerk (new church) in Amsterdam, on 8 June 2006. He was there on that day to talk to Dutch people who were interested in doing business with Ukraine. I was there too ;) So unless there is someone who can prove the pictures is made in the University of Amsterdam, I suggest to change the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermanbiesma (talk • contribs) 12:15, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Quote "Yushchenko was also tarnished by recent accusations that his 19-year-old son was leading a lifestyle far beyond his apparent means. A Ukrainian Web site reported that Andriy Yushchenko, a student, was driving a high-end BMW, had a luxury $30,000 cell phone and lavished cash on restaurants and other locations around the capital. To the fury of many people in Ukraine, he also registered as trademarks the symbols of the Orange Revolution." [1]
Ah, now this is an example of tax money put to good use. /sarcasm And to think that I sometimes wonder why I'm an anarchist, haha. Not really. I don't wonder.
Fucking ugly truth, after his son was running his car on the road without any "identidication numbers", and became arrested for heavy broke of "road laws" by police, Ukraine awaited "DAI reform" (DAI is Ukrainian road police) THere were also rumor about some other conflicts with police, notably shooting the procuror... He 100% registered the trademarks for "orange revolution"...
Echad01:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The word "theory" was used to refer to something other than a scientific or mathematical theory. Although most dictionaries do not call it informal, I find this colloquial use of the word inappropriate for an encyclopedia, therefore I suggest that people try to use more suitable terms, e.g. hypothesis, suggestion, conjecture, speculation, suspicion, or the corresponding verbs for the latter four, depending on the context. Aragorn217:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Tag added for citation needed for details of poisoning incident. He mentions in an interview that his wife noted that his lips tasted metallic after the dinner at which he was possible poisoned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssha0495 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So any leads on who poisoned him and if they will be punished? It's so sad what happened to his face, yet it doesn't seem to depress him psychologically or his selfesteem that much? He used to be so handsome, and now he's ugly. I'd be so mad if that happened to me.--Sonjaaa02:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It probably does annoy him on some level, like I imagine he pretty much wants those responsible brought to justice, however he's not the sort of guy to get depressed over such a thing. Happily married, kids, having achieved his political ambitions, a skin disorder brought on by some criminal animal poisoning him is quite likely a low issue on the emotional agenda.
Considering how close he came to dying, having survived and then winning the election must have given him some sort of satisfaction. Still, it's pretty freaky to see the effects of dioxin. Nina137.111.47.29 (talk) 05:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This bit seems quite biased to me. It focuses more on claiming he faked the poisoning. Putin and his stooges have proved their willingness to poison others, see Alexander Litvinenko — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.165.137.95 (talk) 12:41, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is totally biased- this section is nothing more than a forum for those indulging in conspiratorial fantasies. There are at least three separate claims that his poisoning is a hoax, each an absurdity, because they do not and cannot account for the prima facie evidence of his poisoning that is literally ON HIS FACE. There is a principle in science called Occam's razor, also known as the principle of parsimony, of which the people who give these hoax claims any credibility, as well as helpsome, who keeps vandalizing my edits, are unfamiliar.
Let's suppose for a moment that it is true that the CIA, the International Zionist conspiracy, extraterrestrials, et al., did spike his blood sample. A separate explanation (usually involving additional conspiracies) is required to explain his chloracne, plainly visible in countless photographs and videos of the man taken since his poisoning. Anyone can compare the man's face with other documented cases of chloracne in the medical literature, and examine the evidence staring them IN THE FACE. A third explanation is required for his acute pancreatitis, and a fourth explanation is required for his substantial recovery after undergoing Olestra treatment, which is state of the art for poisoning with dioxins. Multiple explanations, one or all involving CIA conspiracy, each supported only by anonymous allegations and claims by his political opponents, violate the principle of parsimony. Time to shave with Occam's razor, people. The (one) explanation which accounts for all of these facts, without recourse to the CIA or the surgical alteration of his face by extraterrestrials, is that Yushchenko was poisoned by TCDD. I intend to clean up this section and remove the unsupported and counterfactual conspiracy claims- helpsome and his ilk have other fora for this, and it does belong on wikipedia. 73.191.145.175 (talk) 20:18, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Guys, this sentence in lead is ambiguous and obviously hinting to anti-Yuschenko POV:
Ukraine's Central Election Commission declared him the winner of the 26 December 2004 re-run of the runoff election, by 52% to 44% over Viktor Yanukovych. The popular protest movement which brought him to power is today dubbed the "Orange Revolution."
He was ELECTED in 2004, all the rest is details in this lead. If we put these details ahead - we're promoting doubts that Yuschenko is a legitimate President.
I'll fiercely oppose this sentence to stay. Writing this only to fulfill the procedure, being aware of the article's importance.AlexPU17:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to follow any procedure to correct the obvious error. I missed it for some time but fixed it now, hopefully right. It now needs a go over by a native speaker. --Irpen17:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
He WAS NOT elected, this article is too-Yushchenko-POV. I live in Ukraine and I have seen THREE round of voting, one, where they tied, second with victory of Yanukovich and, after Yanukovich's victory was said to be "un-democratical", they created the third round, which Yushchenko "won"... --Echad01:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted the change by user:Echad as follows. His statement about an alternative version of changes to VAYu's face (plastic operation) is unsourced. There were indeed various rumors in anti-Yushchenko press. If this is presented at all, it should only be presented as rumors and with a reference not just to one or two paperclip but to a review of such rumors. Further, that his supporters "changed their minds" and vote for the PoR doesn't withstand the obvious numbers test. "Our Ukraine" + BYuT + Socialists got together more votes, actually, than Yushchenko in the 3rd round while PoR actually got LESS than Yanuk in the third term, no evidence of voter's switch.
Claims about "great crisis" are too serious to be unsourced or even sourced to a questionable paper or web-site. If this is so, it must be easy to find a respectable magazine or review that claims there is a "great crisis". There is plenty of info that the country isn't doing too well, but "great crisis" is something drammatic. Sources pls.
Accusations of Ukrainian nationalism are indeed occasionally made, but not by "Russians and Jews" but by the anti-Yushchenko press and people. Cite those, if you want this statement in the article. "Swastika graffitis" are very rare in Ukraine and there is no evidence at all that connects them with Yushchenko. People beaten up in W. UA just for talking in Russian? These stories are older than Yushchenko's presidency. Most of them are not factual. In any case, this belongs to Ukrainian nationalism (another red link) rather than Yushchenko.
"American army units stationed in Crimea" is plain nonsence and doesn't belong to Yushcneko either. There is a Crimean anti-NATO protests of 2006 article for that.
I think I covered an entire edit by Echad and explained why I reverted it. Occasionally, I would have tried to integrate whatever is salvageable myself into the article, by searching for references but, IMO, there is too little salveagable here and I have several more urgent things to do. If you edit, please so it properly. --Irpen03:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The fact, that the cost of food increased dramatically doesn't count? Yanukovich GOT more votes, that Yushenko at parliamental elections. And the whole western Ukraine nationalims is well-known in Ukraine (eastern and Southern) everyone knows how a Russian-speaking person will be descriminated, and indeed they are, when nation's all documents must be on Ukrainian and merely no one clearly knows that archaic language (imagine documents in America on Native language, understood?) and most elder people can't make anything with papers today. FACT, that main argument at political performances in Kyiv were of "get rid of Russians" classified as "Москали" and "Ганьба Москалям", something like "Doom the Russians"... That went even farther, as buses with Nationalists went to east and south to shoutn their hatred to Russians and Jews "Ганьба Москалям и Жидам", "Москали и Жиди, йдить з Украины" ("Doom the Moscows and Kikes" and "Moscows and Kikes get out of Ukraine") These were the slogans shouted by his followers, his party and him at various performances in 2004...
"American army units stationed in Crimea" is plain nonsence and doesn't belong to Yushcneko either. There is a Crimean anti-NATO protests of 2006 article for that.
A battle ready foreign NATO warship on our territories is nonsence? Boy, 20 years before this would be the start of a war!
If you are not blind, walk on street in Odessa (mostly slums, but also center of the city and even the outside walls of biggest cinemas) and SEE swastikas and other nazi stuff at merely each building in some districts, and there were not before the new ruling party, when most politicians are from Lviv and other western ukrainian with major number of Hitler followers... The number of Skin-Heads increased much and they are more "open", and it is fucking fact, that a person can be beaten in western Ukraine just for not-talkin-on-something-between-Polish-and-Hungarian-with-distant-mix-of-Russian. (as the true Ukrainian language is lost, as confirmed by scholars)
Most peple of Ukraine, especially in east and south hate Yuschenko, Timoshenko and other Nazi even, when peservin themselves as Ethnic Ukrainians, mostly due the fact he sold Ukraine to America...
There are some "not so smart" Americans, who sees simple nazi as the "bringer of peace and democracy" to lesser (only 1000 years older, that America) civilisation...
"Claims about "great crisis" are too serious to be unsourced or even sourced to a questionable paper or web-site."
Ha, you say so, when the papers are censored and people are starving, man... Month of internet costs the same as two days of food... Who are you to prove me, who lived the whole life in Ukraine, "how is it" ???????????!!!!!!!!!!! This is indeed stupid, when people from other countries think, that they know how we live and we ourselves not!
I won't waste my time at this anymore, we never lived so poor after the breakup of USSR as we live now, hope I will emigrate some day, because living in Ukraine became hard with 200 USD per man at the good job... Good bye, I hope you won't view him as the "Supa-gut-president-of-justice" and delete entries, that think otherway... This must be an article without personal feeling, but when i read it, it is imaginable as he is a hero, opposed to what the people of Ukraine think...
Ok, so what's the deal with this article? Has all of the stuff in it been debunked?
To quote:
In news accounts of the Yushchenko "poisoning" mystery, Zimpfer is variously described as the "president" or the "head" of the Rudolfinerhaus clinic, but a better description of his position is "administrative chief." His official title is President of the clinic's Board of Supervisors. The chief medical doctor at the clinic, who supervised and had first-hand knowledge of Yushchenko's case, was Dr. Lothar Wicke. I put that in the past tense because, on December 9, Dr. Wicke resigned. It seems that his skeptical remarks concerning the unproven status of the "poisoning" accusations had proved injurious to his health. At a news conference held just after Yushchenko's first visit to Rudolfinerhaus, Dr. Wicke had accused unnamed individuals not on the medical staff of spreading "medically falsified diagnoses concerning the condition of Mr. Yushchenko." He also pointed to the complete lack of any evidence that the candidate had been poisoned, either deliberately or otherwise. This did not endear him to the Yushchenko crowd.
According to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), a leading German newspaper, and reporter Emil Bobi, of the Austrian magazine Profil, Dr. Wicke received numerous death threats and explicit warnings from the Yushchenko clan. As the FAZ reports:
"Thereafter Yushchenko's people made clear to Wicke that he should not say anything more concerning the affair, since otherwise [as Wicke puts it] 'one would resort to other means against me and the hospital.' Dr. Wicke is also supposed to have received death threats at the time."
It seems to me that something should at least be added about the controversy, and the suspicious details mentioned. I'm adding a tag to this article until this is fixed in some fashion. Esn05:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Take care at date = December 15, 2004. This is clearly not best source of information. If you wish to put something about mystery - focus your attention on status of current poisoning investigation. After such a long time - there is still no information who/where/why/when released to public dispute promise from Yushchenko side to investigate this case ASAP also no information who has ordered killing of Gongadze and no promised actions to put all mafia to jail. --TAG10:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The other source that is given in the article is even earlier; it mentions the Austrian clinic diagnosis that the Dec.15 article criticizes. I would like to know if the points made in that article have ever been disproven, but the Western media has this irritating habit of forgetting about something as soon as the event is over. So I'm not sure if a reply to the points made in the Dec.15, 2004 carticle has ever been made. Every major English-language news network I've seen has been content to accept the "Austrian clinic" version of events ever since 2004; none have mentioned that the head doctor resigned over the whole issue. Esn10:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There was lawsuit Dr. Lothar Wicke vs. Rudolfinerhaus [2] because of his "no-poison" statements and layoff. Can somebody check if there any public records on this case at [3] like LexisNexis in USA and result of this trial ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TAG.Odessa (talk • contribs) 12:00, 29 November 2006
Anybody interested - please assist to clean up my edit.
There are issues this this:
a) No mention that Wicke got death threats.
b) No information that Korpan is not Rudolfinerhaus official (is he?)
c) Some mess about date of announcement conference (December 8 vs. 11 - links to rudolfinerhaus.at can help)
d) No details then Wicke started to disagree with Korpan. Looks like there was some memo he has signed before Dec 8. Some can even assume he is linked to this false Reuters press-release(??)
f) Still no details on outcome of Wicke vs. Rudolfinerhaus case
g) No up-to date information about Yushchenko investigation. It's still nobody jailed and even no official information given to public.
i) No information about government award given to Korpan recently [4]
k) There are some information about combination of Alpha-fetoprotein and Dioxin used [5] in Korpan interview.
I don't know if I'll be able to help within the near future, but I'd just like to thank you for what you have done so far. The section is a lot better than it was. I think it's sad that wikipedia editors must do the job that, by all rights, journalists should be doing (sifting through obscure documents, etc). Nearly nobody in the Western press is interested in correcting their own reporting mistakes. Esn10:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I know this is a bit later, but I've checked LexisNexis, Westlaw and JustCite (I'm a law student so I get free access). There is no case involving Ruldofinerhaus listed on any of them. However that does not necessarily mean that the case hasn't been heard:
Law reports generally only cover cases which raise an unusual or significant point of law. A doctor suing his employer for sacking him because of a disagreement about patient diagnosis, is probably neither
The sites I mentioned generally only cover English-language jurisdictions, for obvious reasons. Scotland, England and Wales, USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa (to a certain extent),: no problem. Austria: slightly more of a problem. Unless we get an Austrian lawyer/law student with access to Austrian law reports, I doubt we'll find anything about this case. Cynical19:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The "poisoning controversy" section looks like a collection of garbage. Suggestions that he was not poisoned at all; a lot of unsourced statements; many relevant sources were not cited... I suggest to create article Poisoning of Viktor Yushenko and place all that stuff there. Biophys (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's highly relevant! Currently we have "On December 11, Austrian doctors confirmed Yushchenko had been poisoned with TCDD dioxin, and had more than 6,000 times the usual concentration in his body." - but actually doctor from Rudolfinerhaus has disagreed with this. Those two doctors were part of elections and post-elections PR associated with Yushchenko. If you wish - you create create Yushchenko_Poisoning wikipage - but deleting well-sourced material related to elections of President of big country is not good. --TAG (talk) 00:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
O'K, please restore some of that content, but make sure the content is sourced and relevant. A part of your previous text was not.Biophys (talk) 03:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed "Poisoning" to "Poisoning controvercy". Thats obvious, that there are alot, ALOT of controvercy since even his ex-"dear friends" begins to say that there where no poisonig.--Oleg Str (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It was definitivly a Dioxin Poisoning. Look at the scientific article in Lanzet.
O Sorg, M Zennegg, P Schmid, R Fedosyuk, R Valikhnovskyi, O Gaide, V Kniazevych, J-H Saurat (2009). "2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD) poisoning in Victor Yushchenko: identification and measurement of TCDD metabolites". The Lancet 374 (9696): 1179–85. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(09)60912-0. PMID19660807
I was surprised that this is not a part of the criticisms of the Putin presidency. I mentioned it in the Putin talk page. This and some others are gross mistakes of omission, IMHO. There should at the very least be somewhere in Wikipedia where this and other similar cases are noted and discussed. Rifter0x0000 (talk) 21:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since Yushchenko is not active prayer and visit all Churches without giving any preference to specific one - should Kiev Patriahate be listed instead of neutral Eastern Orthodox Church - religion, not a church. --TAG06:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The information in the opening section of the article is wrong - Y. did not win the 2004 election through recount but through revote. Also the numbers (53 to 47%) are inaccurate. Repeating the run-off was the gist of the Supreme Court's decision following the Orange Rev. events. Please correct. (ouital7721:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]
Guys, before this gets out of hand (and there likely will be more) as this hit the web, please take a look at the second page of this book available in full for example here. Take a look at the copyright notice at page 2 of part 1. It is clear from the notice that the book is self-published (red flag #1). Also, there seems to be no info anywhere to verify the credentials of its author (red flag #2). Obtaining an ISBN and publishing anything is really simple these days. Please exercise caution with these kinds of sources. --Irpen10:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In the paragraph starting "Many have linked Yushchenko's poisoning to a dinner with a group of senior Ukrainian officials", half a dozen rumoured suspects in the poisoning are listed, but without any sources being given. Per WP:BLP, I don't believe we can suggest that specific living individuals were involved in such an activity unless highly reliable sources can be cited to corroborate the claim. Accordingly, I'm going to take out the list of alleged conspirators. Feel free to put names back in if — but only if — you can include references to good-quality sources. Richwales (talk) 21:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone know where I can find approval ratings from the time he took office? I want to make a chart like this one, but I can't find anything earlier than 2007.
Is the actual approval rating "fully support" only, or both positive answers combined? Counting just "fully support" makes it historically lower than it seems it should be, but counting both makes it way higher than most other sources say. LokiiT (talk) 18:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Somebody had Yushchenko edited as 'acting President'. I don't know anything about that, but I do know he was the third President of Ukraine (incumbent or not). Therefore, I've corrected the introduction as best I can. GoodDay (talk) 17:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This man is not severely disfigured; this man has pockmarks. "Severely disfigured" implies that he has damage like that caused by third and fourth degree burns, or that he has large growths on his face, or that he's missing his nose. I wouldn't look twice at this man if I ran into him in public. He just looks like he had a bad case of acne as a teenager.--173.49.90.61 (talk) 02:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, at the moment this seems very insubstantial. All we have is this one source that says that Firtash "boasts" of a friendship with Yushchenko (which Yushchenko himself "vehemently denies"). IMO, I don't really think that such claims should be included unless they can be substantiated. Otherwise, what we have is just some industry head making stories of how he is the 'man in charge'. At any rate, I think it inappropriate to include such information alongside Yushchenko's family life unless it can be expressly proven that he and Firtash are indeed very close friends, not just some business acquaintances. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 12:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'The presentation of the Dioxin poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko is rife with propaganda promoted by his opposition. It is truly ridiculous to state that the poisoning may have been an attempt to get sympathy votes or may have been feigned. It is good that he went to Switzerland for care, but even there, there is evidence of bribes and such to hush up the truth. I hope Wiki stays free of Russian propaganda, but this portion of your report is full of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.50.75 (talk) 12:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Excessive. E.g. Better: 24 or 23.6, not 23.57%, which indicates a level of accuracy that isn't realistic. Let's standardize on 2, or if anyone objects, 3 as a compromise.
"Volodymyr Satsyuk, because he holds both Russian and Ukrainian citizenship" versus " Kateryna became a Ukrainian citizen on March 2005 and renounced her US citizenship, as required by Ukrainian law". Is it only US citizenship which cannot be held with Ukranian citizenship? 79.97.64.240 (talk) 09:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing in this article about allegations of corruption, although other Ukrainian politicians, most infamously Viktor Yanukovych, are notoriously corrupt. However, the article states "When asked if Yushchenko should be impeached, over 56% of those polled were in favor with almost 27% against". What would be the basis for impeaching Yushenko? 79.97.64.240 (talk) 09:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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