Talk:Concerto delle donne

WP:URFA/2020

As part of WP:URFA/2020, I'll be working on this article. It's fairly close to modern FAC standard but I think I'll go through some MOS things; tweaking the lead a bit (to include more info about who the specific singers are) and organizing references better. Aza24 (talk) 02:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Aza24 how is it going? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:40, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping Sandy—Gosh I'm jealous every time I see your signature design... I need to make one for myself one of these days!—I'd forgotten about this. Still a bit of work to do, but not too much I don't think. I'll get back to you in a few days (hopefully). The article probably needs to be altered to make it clearer that there were multiple Concerto delle donnes, though I'm not 100% sure on that yet. Aza24 (talk) 09:10, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

I hope you appreciate how I coordinated my signature with the Virginia Bluebells on the archive box on my talk page :). No hurry here ... was just going down the list. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24: I saw that you removed your satisfactory notation for this article at WP:URFA/2020. Do you still have concerns over this article? Are you still working on it, or would you like to notice this for possible FAR? Z1720 (talk) 02:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I was looking at it earlier and realizing how generous my satisfactory declaration was. I have very little motivation to see it further; it is a mess in its sole focus on only one of the few groups and the music and influence sections seem ripe with OR. Feel free to nominate it for FAR, I would rather not. Aza24 (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

• There are 4 cn tags and one for original research. In addition around two thirds of the cites are from one source, I think that makes the article over reliant on one point of view. Logging as noticed. Desertarun (talk) 20:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

For talk page history

For the sake of possible preservation, I'm pasting a section from an earlier version of this article below. I have no idea where to (or how to) include it properly:

In 1584, Alessandro Striggio, responding to requests from Francesco I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, described the ladies and composed pieces imitating their style so that Francesco could start his own concerto delle donne. Striggio mentioned an ornamented four voice madrigal for three sopranos and a dialogue with imitative diminutions for two sopranos. He added that he had forgotten the intabulation for the madrigal in Mantua, and noted that the skilled singer Giulio Caccini could play the bass part on either lute or harpsichord.

References

Aza24 (talk) 06:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Review

Aza24 in re, your query, I have made a very few modifications of the grammar. Also note:

• Can you give an approximation of how 300 scudi compared to other skilled laborers? Gale A537118940 says that the annual maintenance for a family was between 50 to 60 ducats. Barring average wages, this might be helpful in understanding 300 scudi. No earthly idea how many scudi in a ducat. (I don't think it is very useful to convert to current day figures as the cost of living was vastly different.)
• Ditto for the 10000 scudi dowry. Gale A537118940 says the dowry in Venice in the 16th century averaged 3,861 ducats, but how is that comparable to scudi? This ¶ 10, says 4-5,000 scudi was a typical dowry before 1682 for lower nobility in Rome and the merchant class and aristocracy in the Marche district. (The district just south of Ferrara) Perhaps an easier way would be to note that the annual payments made to Joanna of Austria, Grand Duchess of Tuscany and Barbara Duchess consort of Ferrara, Modena and Reggio was 10000 scudi, per this p. 40.
• Link Istoma Shevrigin
• Can you link diminutions, for us poor souls who have no clue what that is, to whichever of the 4 types you are referring to?
• All Italian phrases (and any other language ones), such as SeGU'ARINAscer LAURA e prenda LARCO / Amor soave e dolce / Ch'ogni cor duro MOLCE should be coded {{lang|it|SeGU'ARINAscer LAURA e prenda LARCO / Amor soave e dolce / Ch'ogni cor duro MOLCE}}. If italics are inappropriate, after the foreign phrase add |italics=no before the ending }}
• I see some curly ‘ instead of '
• "Newcomb considers", link Anthony Newcomb and tell the reader he is a musicologist
• "its success took women from obscurity to 'the apex of the profession'" should this be in wikivoice or attributed to Newcomb?
• McClary is missing isbn.
• I do not see alt text to describe any of the images for the visually impaired. For example, an alt=A musical score with ten bars of musical notes beneath which are the lyrics in Italian, or something like that. Or on the Duke and Dutchess alt=16th-century oil on canvas portraits. It needs to describe the image for someone who cannot see it and should not duplicate information in the caption.

Overall, I really enjoyed reading this. You know my skill with music articles is virtually nil, but I am fascinated by any institution which expanded women's roles in society. Don't have a lot of input but you might find the above helpful. I think the length is fine, as is the structure...it flows well, IMO. SusunW (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SusunW, this is all hugely helpful! Thank you so much, I'll get through these comments soon. Aza24 (talk) 20:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)