Talk:University of California, San Diego

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Comma in name

According to https://brand.ucsd.edu/logos-and-brand-elements/use-of-the-university-name/index.html, "University of California San Diego" should not have a comma in its name. Should this be reflected in the article?

(I'm on mobile right now and don't remember link formatting, sorry.) SheepTester (talk) 07:30, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

+1 that this should be reflected in the article. The page you linked has been moved here, but the brand guidelines now reflect this. The statement and rationale:

"We no longer use a comma when referencing the University of California San Diego. Our goals are to avoid the multiple variations currently used for naming the campus — University of California (“at” or “in,” or with the comma) San Diego — and to foster consistency, so use this name in all print and online applications." JohnDyss (talk) 22:47, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

This is our guiding policy on how we name articles. In general, we follow the conventions used in most of the available sources - we are not beholden to the wishes and demands of the article's subject. ElKevbo (talk) 00:18, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

However, sources *do* use this style and use it consistently (note the style consistency was made around 2015), an application of the WP:SET would indicate that the title without the comma is most appropriate:

These newspapers have consistently used no comma since 2015:

San Diego Union Tribune: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22University+of+California%2C+San+Diego%22+%C2%A0site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flinproxy.fan.workers.dev%3A443%2Fhttps%2Fwww.sandiegouniontribune.com

Times of San Diego: https://www.google.com/search?q=university+of+California%2C+San+Diego+site%3Atimesofsandiego.com

More consistent:

Los Angeles Times: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22university+of+california%2C+san+diego%22+site%3Alatimes.com

Little to no consistency:

San Francisco Chronicle: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22university+of+california+san+diego%22+site%3Asfchronicle.com

New York Times: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22university+of+california%2C+san+diego%22+site%3Anytimes.com

Absent true consistency, we should adopt where there is consistency, that is where there is no comma. 100.16.98.155 (talk) 02:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Rankings in lede

With regards to the edit made by @ElKevbo, I note that University of California, Los Angeles does mention its ranking as a public university. WP:BOOSTER suggests replacing "…is widely acknowledged as the preeminent university by most university rankings" with "…is ranked A by X, B by Y, and C by Z", so I am unsure why the same couldn't be done here.

One point of contention is the removal of the amount of applications received—I am unsure why @GuardianH did this as it being the second most applied to university in the United States is a noteworthy fact, and is similarly mentioned in the opening of University of California, Los Angeles. This is not WP:UNDUE.Blimpherd (talk) 08:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

It sounds like WP:BOOSTER is outdated and out of sync with WP:HIGHEREDREP; we should update it to avoid this (understandable) confusion. ElKevbo (talk) 11:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:DUE, information in the lede should be summaries of the content in the body. The application fact wasn't even in the body, so it didn't make sense to put it prominently in the lede. GuardianH (talk) 14:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The official name is the University of California, San Diego

I just reverted this edit on 6 April 2024 which was clearly wrong. The edit summary was: "The conclusion that the Regents diligently named campuses with a comma is not fully supported by the citation."

No, the conclusion is fully supported. The cited source is an official letter written by former UCSD chancellor Richard C. Atkinson in his capacity at the time as the President of the University of California to all chancellors to reiterate that the proper usage includes a comma. At the end, he then specified the "official campus names" along with the dates of their Regental approval. All nine campus names included a comma.

Anyone familiar with UC history would know that the comma was specifically adopted as a symbol of the campuses' independence, especially the independence of Los Angeles from Berkeley. Clark Kerr went out of his way to praise the Davis campus in his memoirs for not having "hang-ups" with Berkeley like Los Angeles. Coolcaesar (talk) 23:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Student Protests - 1980s and South Africa?

In reading the history section, the protests against the Vietnam War and the protests by pro-Palestinian students are mentioned, but nothing about the campus protests in the 1980s urging divestment from companies doing business in South Africa. I believe this is important as a) anyone who was on-campus in the 1980s certainly remembers the "shanty towns" that took over Revelle Plaza and the area in front of the Humanities Library, and b) the reaction by the administration of Atkinson was to ban all overnight structures on campus. That latter issue (also undertaken on other campuses at the time) has become a basis for the encampment bans that have been an issue in pro-Palestinian protests. Does anyone else agree that these protests should be a part of the history section? 2603:8000:1001:40FB:61EA:258D:EA7:5A3F (talk) 18:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I believe this 10,810 number for Academic Staff is wrong.

This number first gained my attention, because it seems too large. That seems like a basic observation, but I checked all the other UC articles and they do not have even close to 10,000. I looked at the reference/citation provided and there is no 10,810 number, even if you add the different categories up, there is no way you could get 10,810. Could someone please take a look? If it is 10,810 then please provide a new reference because this one does not show 10,810. Alexysun (talk) 06:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Update: So I actually found where this 10,810 number comes from, but the problem is I don't believe we are supposed to us this number or else UCLA would be 13,382. Alexysun (talk) 06:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Missing reference

@Madcoverboy: Your edit here added a reference — {{Harvnb|Catalog|2010|p=5}} — that does not point to a citation. Can this error be fixed? —GoldRingChip 12:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

K35DG-D

There's an AfD outcome dictating a merge of K35DG-D to this page (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K35DG-D). However, as this is a project of University of California Television, and that is a more specific page, I suggest merging to there instead. Please declare any objections to this ... Klbrain (talk) 12:49, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I've merged the material to University_of_California,_San_Diego#Former_television_station to enact the AfD,but no objection to a further merge if there's a more relevant page. -- Euryalus (talk) 00:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 22 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:SNOW, considered in the context of the 100+ RMs proposed at once by this user. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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University of California, San Diego → UC San Diego – WP:COMMONNAME. Theparties (talk) 11:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The full name provides a WP:TITLECON consistent naming convention across all articles on universities and colleges in the United States. Many reliable sources like Forbes and US News and World Report still use the full name. The OP has also made numerous individual RMs on this same issue like this one, which may violate WP:ACROTITLE or use a shorter common name that is rarely used outside a sports/athletic context. Better to stick to the status quo. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as unnecessary, unwise, and confusing for readers. ElKevbo (talk) 15:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, per the comments of Zzyzx11. —Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}} to your message. 15:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for the reasons articulated above. --Coolcaesar (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:TITLEFORMAT#Avoid ambiguous abbreviations, WP:ACROTITLE, and what Zzyzx11 and ElKevbo said. The proposed title is not sufficiently explanatory to people unfamiliar with the university. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Rebranding?

According to Acronym#Expansion_at_first_use, In writing for a broad audience, the words of an acronym are typically written out in full at its first occurrence within a given text. Without citing RS, anonymous account User:2603:8000:8E00:D700:D485:7B82:85F8:4AF2 removed the initialism from the top of The Koala saying only "It is no longer UCSD." I attempted to have a conversation with the anonymous user on their talk page but they blanked the conversation before it was over. I re-posted the entire conversation on Talk:The Koala here. I guess I'm looking for an RS source about this rebranding, the date of the rebranding, some kind of justification for never using the initialism to refer to the entity as UCSD after that date on Wikipedia and what to do when older versions of the acronym appear without being written out in full at its first occurrence with a given text. I hope this makes sense. Kire1975 (talk) 02:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

That's an interesting question. I don't have the time to trace the exact dates right now. I just looked at the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine but then it crashed. If you go back and look at the UC Office of the President (UCOP) in the late 2000s and early 2010s, they were trying to slowly cut down on various divergences in brand identity and graphic design between the various UC campuses. Then they came out with the notorious "toilet" system logo in 2012 which received massive pushback from UC alumni, students, faculty, and staff. Thanks to that fiasco, UCOP flushed their own credibility down the toilet when it came to systemwide branding. The only successful components of the UCOP rebranding project were the new systemwide wordmark for "University of California" and the new web sites for the UC system, UCOP itself, the Board of Regents, and the Academic Senate. Since then, it looks like every executive and graphic designer involved in the toilet logo fiasco has left.

If you look at UCSD's web site in the 2000s on the Wayback Machine, UCSD switched over to using "UC San Diego" at some point as its logo but was still frequently using UCSD in prose and was still using the stylized Geisel Library logo. At some point in the mid-2010s, if I recall correctly, after UCOP destroyed its credibility when it came to dictating brand identity to the campuses, UCSD switched over to its current brand guidelines in which they deprecate UCSD, elevate UC San Diego as the preferred abbreviation, and also dropped the comma.

However, I don't know why that anon user is objecting to defining UCSD in a parenthetical if it's already use in the same article. You're right. Either the name needs to be spelled out, or an abbreviation should be defined at the first use in a parenthetical and then consistently used throughout the article. --Coolcaesar (talk) 20:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)