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Upcoming laptop competition

Acer [1] [2] [3]: Intel Diamondville CPU; 7–9″ screen; Q2/Q3 2008 release; ~$470
Gigabyte [4]: Intel Shelton platform (1.6 GHz); 8 W; 7–9″ screen; June 2008 release
MSI [5]: July/August 2008 release

—Fleminra (talk) 23:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UK company Elonex [6] [7]: Aday5F-300 Processor, Price USD 200

--Kozuch (talk) 16:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Fleminra/Comparison of Linux subnotebooks. —Fleminra (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NanoBook

I am not sure the NanoBook should be included here... One one hand it has nothing to do with Linux itself, the only relevance to Linux is that it is used for products (only CloudBook so far I know - and this is already included in the template) that ship with Linux... this opens discussion what actually the template should be about, I think it should be related to Linux devices. What are your opinions?--Kozuch (talk) 14:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To me, the title "Linux devices" means devices that were made to run linux. As the device doesn't ship with Linux it doesn't belong on this page, so I'm removing it.

There are a lot of devices that can run Linux, sure, but adding them takes away from the ones that were made for it. Gh5046 (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rules

Only referenced Linux devices will be added to the template. Please do not add devices whose Linux-running can not be verified. Thank you.--kozuch (talk) 22:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Borrowing from what I said in a previous discussion, I believe this navbox should be reserved for devices that were made to run Linux, not just anything that can or could possibly run it. Gh5046 (talk) 23:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am still not clear on this. The NanoBook is a different issue - it has nothing to do with Linux but the refference design - in my opinion in such a case the end product should be listed which is CloudBook in this case.--Kozuch (talk) 01:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just so long as the product is available on the market and is shipped with Linux then it can be here. I want to avoid having devices like the Nintendo DS or PSP being added here just because Linux was ported to it. Gh5046 (talk) 02:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since the community maintained devices have a little value to the general customer, I start to tend to your opinion. Time will show.--Kozuch (talk) 09:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template documentation

I made a start for template documentation: Template:Linux_devices/doc. It currently has the following based on what is said by User talk:Kozuch and User talk:Gh5046 above:

DO place this template on articles for products that are specified to be for Linux by the manufacturer and are available bundled with Linux
DO NOT place this template on articles for products that can run Linux but are not shipped with it

Discussion and improvement is encouraged, I hope a consensus can be reached. Species8473 (talk) 17:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sorting things out. I think this two rules could last for a while.--Kozuch (talk) 18:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guidelines for inclusion and size of the list

Note: The first four entries are copied from Talk:HP_2133_Mini-Note_PC, as they are mostly offtopic there, and ontopic here. Species8473 (talk) 15:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a Linux devices category would be a better solution here? As it is very true that the list has the potential of becoming quite big. While leaving out devices even though they are stated to be for Linux by the manufacturer and sold with Linux seems unsettling too. It exists here, so use that and drop the template? Species8473 (talk) 01:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure the template can become very big. But today, it is not big yet. So what is the question again? Also FYI, the page sits in the cat you name for weeks already.--Kozuch (talk) 11:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears there is no official policy on templates, but what we do have Wikipedia:Navigational_templates states they "should be kept small in size". If the template is to stay, it could very much use some {{documentation}} with clear guidelines for inclusion. Until the latter has been achieved the Template_talk:Linux_devices#Rules consensus that products shipped with Linux should best be followed. And that would be the only thing relevant to this talk page. I maintain to be of opinion that the template currently is appropriate for this article, for the reasons stated in the first line of this section. Species8473 (talk) 12:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, adding the template makes the page too "busy". It's not news that laptops can run Linux. And, if a laptop computer that ships with Linux can be added to the template, then most HP, Sun, IBM, Dell server/computer Wikipedia articles should be added as well. And even thinkpad laptops should be added as the manufactor ships some model with Linux. How big do you think the list is???? --Raysonho (talk) 14:02, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe getting your laptop shipped with Linux is as mainstream as you present it to be. Dell appears to have only four products listed that can be shipped with Ubuntu1. For all other models the options are Windows XP or Vista, without even a mention of Linux at any place. The same goes for popular HP and Lenovo laptop series, they can only be shipped with Windows. I do share your opinion about the size of the list. A few years ago Dell didn't ship Linux at all, it really is becoming more mainstream. Species8473 (talk) 15:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Including general purpose computers in this template??

In general, most "normal" computers and laptops can run general purpose operating systems, including Windows and Linux. And devices are usually embedded devices and not as general as an x86 PC that you can buy from a local computer store. -- Raysonho (talk) 03:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good point that could use some exploration. On a free internet dictionary I often check, a device is defined as: "A contrivance or an invention serving a particular purpose, especially a machine used to perform one or more relatively simple tasks." 1 It's a common term for products like laptops and especially the smaller netbooks, used as such both on wikipedia and other websites.1 2 3 3 4. I would say the term device is appropriate for netbooks and notebooks. And for products such as the Asus Eee Box as well per this outside source. But it may not be appropriate for mid-high end desktops and bigger stuff that you can easily say does more than just simple tasks. Species8473 (talk) 02:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since List of Linux computers was merged into List of Linux based devices I am against excluding of anything potentially suitable from the template. In other words said, here "devices = just almost any computer". If you are not liking the name, I will promptly rename the page to a more suitable one - content is more important than a name to me. Arguing about x86 is just a nonsense to me.--Kozuch (talk) 09:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image Suggestions

Initially I was going to use this, but file size didn't work that well. So I narrow down to

Note: I am not favoring OLPC over other image. Before I was trying to find some good DIY related picture, but got no luck. Please don't use GNU related images Tux, it totally doesn't represent Linux Devices at all. They look more like crufting then presenting the information in a positive perspective. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 03:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Android

There will be a lot of Android devices (18 by the end of the year source),and much more by the end of 2010. Do we really want to put all of them on this list. We can do as Asus routers and just clump all together in one section. This could get problematic as there are Android phones, Android e book readers (Barnes & Noble nook), and more. I am not sure the best way to handle this, but this template could get out of control otherwise. I would recommend an Android Devices template for android pages, and use this for all others, but mention Android in some way on this template as well. I hope I am making sense. --Chrismiceli (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cherrypal historic/defunct?

Really? They seem active.. http://www.cherrypal.com/70.15.191.119 (talk) 04:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should Android Tablet be also placed in this template?

Adam is an tablet having Android OS which is based on Linux. Should it be also included in this tablet or not?-- Shrish ePandit Talk 13:47, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Raspberry Pi

The Raspberry Pi runs several flavors of Linux, I think it should be added on the same line as Beagleboard. Mikebar (talk) 22:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. --Kizar (talk) 20:28, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Android

Isn't Android Linux based? --Lumia930uploader (talk) 11:59, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rather silly, isn't it?

This feels like a rather silly template. There are easily millions of different devices out there running some form of Linux, there is no hope for this to be useful or approaching completeness.Ericloewe (talk) 15:38, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]