User talk:Michig/Archive 24

Leicester City Premier League Win

Hi, I think you may be able to help with this. The Leicester City page is currently semi protected so I cannot do this myself. The third paragraph is currently (6 May 2016) written in poor style as it talks about Leicester City's Premier League 2015-16 win without actually first stating explicitly that they won. I don't know the correct grammatical term for this omission, but it just doesn't look right. I have tried to point this out on the talk page, but have only this far had a reply from someone who is either a wind up merchant or a bit thick. Please, if this is something you can do alter the page so it reads properly. Thank you! John2o2o2o (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Does this still apply or has it now been fixed? --Michig (talk) 05:32, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

The Specials and ska music

Hello Michig – I'm absolutely baffled by your reversion and reasoning, to be honest. Both the links call the Specials a ska band, that's exactly why I used them. The Specials own official website describes them as a ska band. They have ALWAYS been known as a ska band in the UK, and NEVER as a reggae band. What is your reasoning for calling them reggae? Richard3120 (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

The Specials played a mixture of ska and (early) reggae songs, and 2-tone was never pure ska. While they are primarily regarded as a ska band by some that doesn't automatically mean that every track they recorded is a ska track. "Ghost Town" has none of the characteristics of ska and is clearly their attempt at playing reggae as the article explains. I am not calling *them* a reggae band, but "Ghost Town" is (mainly) a reggae track. The third album released under the name Special AKA doesn't have a single ska track on it, but a lot of people still call them a ska band. --Michig (talk) 18:21, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. You are right, In the Studio contains no ska and indeed not a great deal of reggae either a lot of the time. I would certainly not argue with anyone who wanted to add punk, new wave or other genres to the Specials music - after all, "muzak" often crops up in descriptions of the second album, and they certainly weren't easy listening... This is why I tend to avoid getting involved in genre discussions! Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 18:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Kiitra language

Hello! You recently closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiitra language as delete. I see that a brand new account (as in, their very first edit) has now posted on the AfD discussion's talk page. They appear to be asking for a restoration or maybe a userfication of the article; I'm not sure what they want, but they seem to be protesting the deletion. They really should have put their message here on your talk page, but I'll AGF that they really are a new account and didn't know how to deal. Up to you, how (or whether) you want to respond. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 08:54, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up - have replied there. --Michig (talk) 09:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Misuse of warning templates

Please do not add flippant warnings to my talk page. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 00:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

It was a perfectly appropriate warning and if you continue to edit war you will be blocked. Your choice. --Michig (talk) 08:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

No, it was not. I was not edit warring. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 10:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

You reverted the same edit three times in a content dispute. That's pretty much the definition of edit-warring. --Michig (talk) 11:15, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I twice reverted unexplained removals of cited content by User:Murry1975. I then reverted an edit made by User:85.210.130.70, whose very first edit edit was to revert one of those, with their edits strangely being nearly universally changing the listed nationality of various boxers. 79.97.226.247 (talk) 20:21, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Photo removal

Michig, we have recently been informed that you have changed a photo that we've upload with permissions yesterday on the page for Will Sergeant. Please remove the photo as the artist does not want that one on there. They requested to add the one that I did yesterday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonfly2015 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

The photo you added was deleted as it didn't have the correct licensing. --Michig (talk) 07:38, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I was told it did. We will keep trying until we finally get the photo that you used off. No problem.

On Mar 18, 2015, at 5:59 AM, "Permissions - Wikimedia Commons" <permissions-commons@wikimedia.org> wrote: "There's a problem. Can you kindly ask Mr. Will to change the license on the Flickr page to Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0/4.0 as per his wish? I am sending you the screenshot that points to the problem that exists. The Wikimedia Foundations deals strictly with copyright policy, and as you know a copyright violation case might cost some big numbers. I hope you understand."

As a follow up to the last email, here's the link: <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Sergeant_with_an_Eastwood_Saturn_%2763.jpg> Yours sincerely, Dipankan Bandyopadhyay

You need not make further modifications onto the file page. The file, however may be used anywhere across any Wikimedia project. Thank you. I shall now close the case as successfully resolved. Thanks again.

Yours sincerely, Dipankan Bandyopadhyay

This photo needs to be added. The artist is not happy with the photo you used.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Journal of Basic and Clinical Pharmacy

Hi, given that their was no opposition to deletion, I think you could have closed this as a "soft" delete. Could yoou perhaps have a second look? Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 08:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

While PanchoS's arguments are not explicitly in favour of keeping, there are at least potential arguments there for keeping and in the absence of any other input I wouldn't feel happy with deleting. I think submitting a second AfD might be the best approach, perhaps leaving a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals to attract some input. --Michig (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

• It will have to wait then, because immediately renominating is generally not well-received... --Randykitty (talk) 09:32, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hey, sorry about the hullabaloo around the MBV 'You Made Me Realise' edits. I *realise* you are a major contributor and I am just a minor editor, but one pet peeve I have with music articles is people piling on a record/artist page to list that their band has covered some song, it's almost always profiteering. Yes- Hendrix covering Dylan is notable, but the "covers" section of a modern music article is oftentimes an advertisement. I'm hoping you'll agree with me to some extent. I had this epiphany moment after listening to that EP for the 12,689th time and looked it up on wikipedia and was promptly annoyed that the article was besmirched with adverts. I personally didn't think any of those cover versions were properly notable, but I am a reasonable guy and am willing to discuss.

Kevimetal (talk) 02:23, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

Dear 'Michig',
I wanted to express my gratitude to you for your helpful intervention at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Live from Patrick Street. Regardless of the fate of my article, I will always appreciate your willingness to act in support of a fellow editor, as we all strive to improve our encyclopedia. Thank you once again for your thoughtful assistance.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^(talk) 10:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Redo of redirected page?

Is it okay to recreate the A$AP Yams redirect page for the ASAP Mob? Reply back with an answer. Please and thank you.

P.S.: I'm referring to Yams' moniker with a dollar sign. DBrown SPS 17:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Done. --Michig (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Michig. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cormac McCarthy (musician).
Message added 23:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Screaming Dead

The article Screaming Dead has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:NMUSIC

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Mdann52 (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Wgolf and prods

I've been through a lot of the stuff posted by the author of those articles to remove copyvio lyrics. I notice that over the last few days he seems to be working long hours adding articles about films and songs, frequently only referencing to blogspot and other unreliable places. I think it's that author that needs to slow down rather than Wgolf. I'm not commenting on the notability issue, as I don't know much about films, but I do know that the lyrics of Bollywood etc films are unlikely to be public domain, which is why I concentrated there. To my mind, there is definitely a referencing issue, and possibly an attempt to drum up visitors to certain sites. I leave it to those more knowledgeable about films to deal with it, but will keep an eye out for the lyrics. Peridon (talk) 11:21, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I'd say they both need to slow down. If an editor is creating a lot of problematic articles that needs to be raised with the editor in question and at the adminstrators noticeboard if there is an ongoing issue - some of the Indian film/television articles Wgolf prodded already had one or more sources from quality publications such as the Times of India. Many of Wgolf's prods that I deproded are articles by other editors including albums by artists that we have articles on, sometimes already containing decent sources - they are generally not great articles but Wgolf seems to be rather indiscriminate in his attempts at deletion and doesn't appear to be making any effort to improve said articles or look at alternatives such as merging or redirecting, and because of the number of articles that he is tagging he is creating work unnecessarily for other editors. --Michig (talk) 11:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay sorry about the number of deletions

Yeah it did go too much. BTW-I found this The Mafia (film) and said it was previously up for a afd but voted as a redirect so I am unsure does it go as a csd-previously deleted or what as it never was actually deleted but voted as a redirect as seen here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Mafia (2014 film). Wgolf (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I've redirected it. It wouldn't be speedyable under G4 as it wasn't deleted at the first AfD, but it should remain as a redirect until the issues from that AfD have been addressed. If it gets reverted without improvement it can be protected to prevent it happening again. --Michig (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Well the user was making quite a few unsourced pages didn't realize I was going after the same guy until later on. (which is similar to another user who was blocked already who this guy does have a spi on already as well) (as for the uneeded filmography article the reason for the prod was because it was created by a sock puppet before the sock master was banned who was doing tons of these uneeded filmographies that were getting deleted) I do feel bad though for doing that many prods. Wgolf (talk) 16:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I think all the prods and unprods have gone - Ponyo's been mass deleting per WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Vamsiraj. Looks like another Morning277 type of thing. Peridon (talk) 20:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

NWF Heavyweight Championship

If it was previously deleted at AfD, it's speediable, but I think you're incorrect and it was previously deleted as Prod. I suggest you AfD it this time and then if it's deleted it can be WP:SALTed as repeatedly recreated if necessary. --Dweller (talk) 08:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

You're right - I hadn't spotted the previous prod. Will AfD it. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 09:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Good stuff. :-) --Dweller (talk) 10:08, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

NB: Special:Contributions/Axe2x --Dweller (talk) 10:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Music is boring

Hey buddy!

Music-related articles are boring and you should spend your time editing other articles instead. See this list for some suggestions. I mean, really, c'mon now! ! ! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Several thousand species of spiders and collembola don't have articles yet - I'm not going to run out of things to do. --Michig (talk) 06:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy April Fools' Day to you! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Just about to go and see what hilarious japes people have come up with at AfD today...--Michig (talk) 07:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Humour is one thing. Witless repetition of other people's bad jokes is something else. --Michig (talk) 07:20, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

File:Anonim.gif

Music makes people do this – North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:16, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Music doesn't usually make ME do that - then again, when people around me are dancing, I'm usually playing... Peridon (talk) 16:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

It takes music + alcohol in large quantities to make me do that. --Michig (talk) 16:58, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Nigel Boocock

Why did you change the edit on Nigel Boocock? He passed away this morningHoldenV8 (talk) 06:05, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Because no source was cited and a Google search didn't find any reliable sources to support it. Living people are presumed living until reliable sources say they're dead. Adding unsourced claims of death is a violation of WP:BLP. --Michig (talk) 06:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/184768618290981/ - This is the Sydney Showground Speedway group page on Facebook. Go and check out the tributes to Nigel BoocockHoldenV8 (talk) 06:23, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Surely you can wait until the BSPA put out an announcement can't you? --Michig (talk) 06:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

No problems at all in waiting. But it is true unfortunatelyHoldenV8 (talk) 06:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I would expect there will be something out within a few hours. We need to get the facts right, e.g. not stating that he died on the 3rd and that it was announced on the 2nd. Sadly we get people prematurely 'killed off' on Wikipedia several times a year, and when people do die we get inaccurate information added because people take social media posts as fact. On one of the most visible sites on the internet I think people's families and friends deserve better than that. --Michig (talk) 06:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah agreedHoldenV8 (talk) 06:45, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Please help

Hello,

I noticed that you removed an inappropriate speedy tag from the article 18+ (band). The same user marked Centre for Policy of Legal Reforms as a speedy. I easily found a couple of references on google and have put them in the article plus contested the speedy on the talk page. The user had also tagged no references and linkrot??? on the same article.

I briefly looked over the contribs [1] and edit count [2] for the editor, and noticed he/she is relatively new and seems very heavy handed with the tags and speedies. Could you look over the situation and respond to it as you see fit?

If you have time please look over his contrib list bcause there are a lot of heavily tagged articles on there. Thank you. WordSeventeen (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm doing that now. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick help! Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 15:13, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Claude Bessy (singer)

Please take a look at this. Singing was a minor part of Bessy's career. He's at least as well known as a writer, and also as the VJ/video producer at The Haçienda. Wwwhatsup (talk) 02:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

PROD of Palem Srikanth Reddy

Just to let you know, it had been PROD'd before. See [3], although the user/subject of that seems to be acting in rather bad faith with his moves. Jerod Lycett (talk) 15:36, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes it had been BLP Prodded and then moved to userspace to avoid deletion...then moved back, so I'm happy that this should still be treated as a new article. --Michig (talk) 15:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Palem Srikanth Reddy

Seems like the page creator keeps on moving it from a userspace to a page back to a userspace-it is getting confusing. Palem Srikanth Reddy, might be best to just delete it and salt it at this point! Wgolf (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

As it stands it will be deleted next Monday if it isn't sourced by then. If it's moved back to userspace it will still be deleteable as an unsourced BLP. --Michig (talk) 15:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Please help

Please, check the mail I sent you and help me to cope the problem, I described there. This is very important! I am sorry for bothering and thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LanaSimba (talk • contribs) 19:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC) LanaSimba (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I have been changing some of the prods I put up for albums into redirects

Should I put that it was a article before or just leave that part alone? I did send a message to one person for the article My Cup of T since the creator is still around. While for the band X-Dream I basically just changed them all into redirects except one that is under afd. Wgolf (talk) 14:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

It should be fine just to redirect them with a suitable edit summary. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 20:31, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Love Comes to an End

At the AfD debate I noticed your comments "There's no sourced content to merge", since that time I have sourced a number of references that may address your concerns. I would appreciate it if you could have a look at the recent changes to the article. Dan arndt (talk) 05:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of Jason Maek

Hey I am very sorry to bother you, but I am confused on why the page Jason Maek got deleted. In the discussion it said there weren't 3rd party sources, but I linked and referenced what I thought were enough articles showing his relevance to the music industry. If you have any advice on how to make the article more credible, please let me know. I have three other articles that are all referenced around Jason Maek and I am confused why he is the only one that got deleted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sschmitz25 (talk • contribs)

Basically those editors that contributed to the discusssion didn't see evidence that Jason Maek satisfies the notability criteria (WP:NMUSIC). Some of the sources cited in the article when it was deleted would not satisfy WP:RS. --Michig (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I do not understand how the sources cited did not satisfy the notability criteria. They are third party sources that are directly indicate indicate Jason Maek as a credible artist. I can show you the articles I'm talking about. I am requesting that the deletion be undone.

Thank you.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maekmusic/10-fun-facts-about-jason-maek-s0qb

https://gust.com/companies/maek_entertainment

http://www.thehypemagazine.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=132%3Awho-is-jason-maek&Itemid=525

http://elicitmagazine.com/jason-sizer/

http://consequenceofsound.net/video/rock-it-out-blog-how-to-start-a-record-label/

https://arena.com/article/jason-maek-is-doing-something-epic

http://ncclinked.com/2014/04/24/jason-maek-ep-review/

http://awesomeshit.ninja/2014/11/asn-album-review-maek-pandamonium-lp-jason-maek-zaenas-free-visual-album/

http://www.columbiachronicle.com/arts_and_culture/article_997a8d08-45ee-11e4-891b-0017a43b2370.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Sschmitz25 (talk • contribs)

Those sources were in the article when it it was deleted. The participants in the deletion discussion agreed that they were not sufficient to establish notability. One participant, now blocked from editing, expressed a view in favour of keeping. There's nothing new here that wasn't considered by those who argued for deletion. Looking at those sources, Buzzfeed, Consequence of Sound, Arena, awesomeshit.ninja, and NCC Linked are not reliable sources, Elicit is a deadlink, Gust is just a company listing with no independent coverage. That leaves one Hype article and a Columbia Chronicle article that is really about the label. I would suggest that you wait until more substantial coverage of Jason Maek appears in genuine reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 06:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

What makes any of the sources not reliable? They are all credible media articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sschmitz25 (talk • contribs)

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

If I add more content and reliable sources, please undo the deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sschmitz25 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

If you find more coverage in reliable sources let me know and I'll restore it to userspace for you to work on. --Michig (talk) 20:11, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

These Riddim Driven albums

So I have found tons of these that I have just put tags for notability and unreferenced (except for one so far that actually mentions doing well) anyway, I was wondering if these should be redirects-but I'm not sure to what! For example here is one: Riddim Driven: Engine 54 & Humanity (I found these looking at the backlog and found one of them listed) Wgolf (talk) 00:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

This is a quite successful series of albums and in most cases they do receive coverage, so there will be scope for improvement. It's debatable whether there is enough to justify articles for some of them. For the one you mentioned there is already an Allmusic review linked in the article and I also found a review from The Beat in Google Books. We have an article for the series at Riddim Driven. I think the best approach may be to do a thorough search to see what sources are out there and then see whether the articles on the albums should be merged to the article on the series or whether some have enough to remain as standalone articles. The article on the series could certainly be improved with more details on the riddims used, producers, sources, etc. --Michig (talk) 06:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chloé (Belgian singer)

So the fact that there are no English language sources nor corresponding articles in the non-English Wikis of those languages and the article does not establish clear Notability for this person was not enough? A 4 year old stub that not even the creator will improve continues to languish. The AfD was discussed for nearly a month and no one expanded the article in that time. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

No English language sources? It's irrelevant which language(s) sources are in. AfD is not for cleanup or there to get other editors to work on articles. The AfD lasted for three and a half weeks and the key thing is that in that time there was not a consensus reached. --Michig (talk) 16:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Deprod of Forever Oeuvre

Why did you deprod this article? The concerns were very legitimate. You say that it was already discussed at AfD and that that version of the article was completely different, but the concerns are the exact same. The article exhibits no notability, and those concerns haven't ever been addressed, so this article should have never been created or recreated to begin with. They don't meet any points at WP:BAND, nor will they ever considering they're just a local band from PA and have been inactive for over four years. Additionally, there's obvious advertisement plugging in the article with all the external links in-prose. I know these problems would be brought up at AfD, but this article is so obvious it doesn't need an AfD process, just a prod. Jacedc (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker). It would have been de-prodded because that's the policy. See WP:PROD: "PROD is one-shot only: It must not be used for articles PRODed before or previously discussed on AfD." --Dweller (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dweller: Ahh, thanks for the info! Somehow I was oblivious to that. I feel silly. Thanks! Jacedc (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes - previously discussed at AfD so can't prod, completely different article to the one that was deleted so can't speedied as a G4, so taking back to AfD would be the option if deletion is sought. --Michig (talk) 16:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Per W. Undelete

Per Wickstrom article that was deleted. May I propose that more information be added to make the page more notable?

Recoverywp (talk) 02:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

You would need to find reliable independent sources discussing the subject in detail, not just more information. --Michig (talk) 05:16, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

FAC input

Hi! Since you're a regular contributor to music articles, would you be interested in reviewing my FAC for the article xx (album)? It's received one editor's review but not much follow-up yet--just hollow votes--so anything would really be appreciated. Dan56 (talk) 01:37, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Lewis Italiano

Hi,

I'm looking at creating Lewis Italiano following the player making his professional debut last week (Report) and am following the prompts to contact you first (having been the deleting admin on the previous AfD).

Cheers, Macosal (talk) 05:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi - I've restored the deleted version of the article. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 05:59, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Seth Davis Drumming

Hi Michig, I am a contributor here on Wiki that re-uploaded an article about the drummer, Seth Davis titled- Seth Davis, Drummer. The original article that was deleted, was titled- Seth Davis Drumming. The deletion of Seth Davis Drumming was due to an administrator claiming it was self promotion. I believe Seth Davis' article should be included in wiki. It is a non-biased, factually based article, with references. Because of these reasons is why I personally re-created the second article. The re-created article I uploaded has since been flagged for a "speedy deletion."

The following discussion is from the "talk" page of this second article.

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (Page is non-biased, factually based with references) --DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Are you denying that it's a re-creation of a page deleted via WP:AFD? --jpgordon::==( o ) 20:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Josh. No, I'm not denying it's a re-creation of a page deleted. Should I have contacted you before the re-creation? --DrumHistorian12811 — Preceding undated comment added 22:02, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

No, you should not have attempted to re-create it at all, as the page was deleted properly via the WP:AFD process. You may request reversal of that deletion via Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. --jpgordon::==( o ) 22:40, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice and recommendation. I've requested the reversal of the original article Seth Davis Drumming via: Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. --DrumHistorian12811 — Preceding undated comment added 23:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

After following the steps as advised, I received the following on the request for undeletion page- "Not done - this Requests for Undeletion process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially, and does not apply to articles deleted after a deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted after a discussion took place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seth Davis Drumming, it cannot be undeleted through this process. However, if you believe that the outcome of the discussion did not reflect the consensus of the participants, or that significant new information has come to light since the article was deleted, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Michig (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

The above is why I am contacting you. (As advised.) Thank you for your time and consideration. DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 23:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811

When an article is deleted at AfD it should not be recreated unless the reasons for deletion can be addressed. You have simply recreated the same promotional article under a different title. As for seeking undeletion, that can only happen if you have new sources that can address the concerns from the AfD discussion. In the absence of such sources (the contributors to the AfD agreed that those you have used are not sufficient) I can't restore the page. --Michig (talk) 06:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, Michig. The Seth Davis article has the proper credentials/sources required to be included in Wikipedia, IMO. It seems the deletion is subjectively based, not objectively. So I have to disagree, but will respect the decision. DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 08:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811

Michig, after careful examination of your response and the article in question, I ask for you to provide the evidence that backs your reasoning for stating the Seth Davis article is a "promotional article" when it is a non-biased, factually based article, with references that follow wiki guidelines. Wikipedia administrators are strict about rules, yet there are no rules broken regarding this subject. How do you explain this? DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 06:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811

Aside from a couple of Blabbermouth news items there was nothing cited that could really be called significant third party coverage. The article wasn't exactly neutral in tone and contained a lot of positive claims not backed up by citations of reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 21:37, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Michig, thank you for your response. So in your opinion, you don't see Seth Davis being acknowledged and verified as a world speed champion by the World's Fastest Drummer Organization in multiple articles as significant? What about the fact that he played with the revered thrash band from New Orleans- Exhorder, who have a wiki article written about them that Davis is included in? What about the multiple famous peers he performs master classes with, some which were included in the wiki article? "The article wasn't exactly neutral in tone"- Could you please be more specific and point out what wasn't factually based on the article, because I feel that was a vague response. Also, please clarify the following- "contained a lot of positive claims." What positive claims? Facts? It seems the more we discuss this, the more I believe this was a subjective choice to remove the Seth Davis article, not objective. I just don't understand why a person of his talent and accomplishments (more than some who have wiki pages) isn't included. I'm open to help out as I am a contributor to Wiki and a purist with regards to the art and history of drumming as can be seen in my contributions. Note* If multi tagging other artists pages about Seth Davis (Buddy Rich & Exhorder) was seen as spam and caused the page to be flagged, then point taken as that was my mistake not the artist in question, and could be corrected going forward. Again, thank you for your time as I believe this discussion is valid and worth having, as is the consideration of reinstating the article about the artist we're discussing. DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811

It was discussed at AfD and the outcome was deletion. I just closed the discussion. There's no point continuing the AfD here. If you want to have an article on him you'll either need to challenge the closure of the AfD at Deletion Review (and given the obvious sockpuppetry in that discussion I can't see that being successful) or find some sources to address the reasons for deletion. --Michig (talk) 06:11, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Michig. I, along with others, would like to see an article on Seth Davis included on Wiki. So, could you provide the specifics regarding sources needed and answer why exactly the page/s were deleted in the first place. I appreciate your time and advice and seek it where any future pages are correct and meet the guidelines of Wikipedia.DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 07:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811

The following sources are substantial, credible and were attained in less than an hour with a simple google search of the artist, Seth Davis. I believe this meets your suggestions and validates why there should be a Seth Davis Wikipedia article. I am requesting the original Seth Davis Wikipedia page be reinstated, following the careful evaluation of sources/references below. Thank you.DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 09:06, 15 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811

http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20020717/NEWS/207170307

http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20030829/GRAPEVINE/308280313

http://www.extremesportdrumming.com/wfdchampions.htm

http://www.extremesportdrumming.com/sethdavis.htm

http://www.extremesportdrumming.com/previous/NAMM/Summer04/summernamm04.htm

http://store.drumbum.com/drums/speed-drumming.htm

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/international-fastest-drummer-contest-to-be-held-at-namm/

http://www.remo.com/forum/post/view?bid=3&id=61891&sty=3&age=30&tpg=1&ppg=1

http://www.tigerbill.com/drumclinicsfesteventsreviews/wfdnamm2003.htm

http://bravewords.com/news/namm-international-announces-fourth-annual-worlds-fastest-drummer-competition

http://www.drumskillz.com/cont_view.php?cont_id=97

http://www.drumarticles.com/

http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=67337

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19085287/the-fastest-hands-in-town-wantage-man-takes-third-place-in-national-drumming-competition?clienttype=printable

https://en.wiki2.org/wiki/WFD_World%27s_Fastest_Drummer_Extreme_Sport_Drumming

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/industry_news/namm_worlds_fastest_drummer_competition.html?no_takeover

http://www.kirklandreporter.com/news/133270818.html#

http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=54797

http://www.revolvermag.com/author/henry-yuan/page/3

http://www.smnnews.com/2011/05/09/new-exhorder-drummer-seth-davis-solo-footage-available/

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/exhorder-to-introduce-new-drummer-at-hometown-concert/

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/exhorder_bassist_dies.html

http://www.bnrmetal.com/v3/band/band/Exho

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/exhorder-footage-from-maryland-deathfest-available/

http://www.bsrlive.com/blog/undead-in-studio-z/2011/07/17/maryland-death-fest-day-3

http://za.wow.com/wiki/Seth_Davis_Drumming

Take out the forum post and wiki page, and all that's left there are brief mentions, local newspaper articles, and sources that would likely not pass WP:RS. --Michig (talk) 06:01, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Michig, quoting you- "Aside from a couple of Blabbermouth news items there was nothing cited that could really be called significant third party coverage. The article wasn't exactly neutral in tone and contained a lot of positive claims not backed up by citations of reliable sources."- I provided more than 20 different websites of reliable sources. "Brief mentions" on many different websites are acknowledgments or "coverage", equaling recognition. You stated "sources that would likely not pass", yet I am following your advice and recommendation. There were more than "local newspaper" articles as well. There's many forum discussions on Seth Davis, along with other website mentions/wiki mentions. It would seem reasonable not to have to search out every forum post on an artist and post it here, to be seen as valid. There is a substantial amount of reliable sources from websites on Seth Davis that could be pasted here, and that most would agree is enough for reinstatement. It seems that you're more interested in attempting to find reasons why not to reinstate the artist's article, rather than assist in a non-biased, objective wiki based viewpoint to the Artist and article.DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 10:44, 16 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. All the best. --Michig (talk) 10:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I expected more of a response from you, Michig, given your experience and position here at Wikipedia. I would like permission to write a new, neutral article about the artist we're discussing, please. I can see your prospective with regards to some of the words that were chosen in the original article, actually agree in some ways, and believe I could write a page that we would agree on that would include the proper sources etc. Is that a reasonable request?DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811

You can write a new article about Seth Davis any time you want as long as it addresses the reasons why it was deleted at AfD. I've given you my opinion on the sources you found, but it seems whatever I say you come back with the same argument. Other wiki pages and forum posts are not going to be acceptable as sources, do not help to establish notability, and should not be cited - that's simply a statement of fact. The best advice I can give you is to read Wikipedia:Notability and be sure that the subject satisfies that guideline first of all, then make sure that everything you put in the article is directly supported by a reliable source, and that you limit the sources you cite to those that satisfy WP:RS. --Michig (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Michig, thank you for the advice. Seth Davis was able to be contacted via his website. I wrote him regarding the Wikipedia article and issues (which he was unaware of.) While it was a privilege to speak to the artist, (he was kind in response to my efforts and enthusiasm) unfortunately.. He preferred (after viewing the article complications and debate) and politely requested that I let the wikipedia issue rest because he felt it was more of a negative than positive light on who he is and what his drumming contributions represent. I think it's unfortunate with what he does in the drumming world to not be included at this point in time, but that's my opinion and we'll agree to disagree. I'll continue to contribute to the history of drumming/drumming related topics here on wikipedia and hope to maybe re-write a page about this talented artist in the future per his permission and updated credible sources. DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 17:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Impersonation

Hi Michig,

I received an email claiming to be from you regarding helping me with a wiki page that was declined for actress Kaitlyn Dias. I am just doing due diligence to determine if the email is legit. If it is from you, I surely would appreciate the help, if not, sorry to bother you and BTW someone is trying to impersonate you.

Best Regards, RichardGDias1 (talk) 12:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Rich

No, I didn't send such an email. Had I offered to help I would have left a message on your talk page. Can you tell me when the email was sent and what the sender details are? Thanks. --Michig (talk) 12:47, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Michig,

My company also got an email from someone impersonating you:

Hi I checked your Wikipedia declined draft; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ariett

I am a Wikipedian with high privileges, check my user page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michig

I will do online research and rewrite the content in encyclopedic tone and get it approved. Please respond if interested.

Regards, Tamsin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.50.39 (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Can you tell me the sender's email address? What address comes up if you click on reply? Thanks. --Michig (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

About Sumit jain CEO and Co-Founder of commonfloor.com.

Hi Michig,

Apologies for inconvenience, I was updating the article while you redirected that again to commonfloor.com, now i have added enough references to make sumit as a notable personality, please let me know if you still have any issues. Thanks for keep reminding me to update that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Govinda rajpurohit (talk • contribs) 22:22, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Persistent_addition_of_uncited_material_by_User:HoldenV8

Thanks for your comment, after being listed for several days, and other ANIs acted on, I'm surprised there has been no action. there has been some improvement but I've found HoldenV8 still adding uncited material. LibStar (talk) 06:39, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying - haven't had much time the past couple of days. Their editing has improved, but I'll try to keep an eye on it and if the previous pattern of adding unsourced content returns I'll block - feel free to let me know if this happens. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 20:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

thanks LibStar (talk) 01:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

This Et Al

Sigh, yet another de-prod that doesn't deal with the concerns raised. Where exactly is this significant coverage please? GiantSnowman 12:35, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Sigh, any editor can deprod an article if they disagree with it. I googled and I found. --Michig (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Well would you mind please adding said sources to the article? GiantSnowman 14:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I've made a start. Will probably add more later. It would be helpful if you could look for sources yourself before prodding articles. If other editors find sources that you don't and deprod articles that's fair enough. You can't expect their editing to be dictated by you. --Michig (talk) 18:35, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Love you...

I love you...for this comment, alone..."deproded - notability guidelines refer to the coverage that exists, not what's in the article. Allmusic has a bio and two reviews - not 'empty' at all".The Cross Bearer (talk) 06:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

wiki/Emily_Nashoba_Dykes

Dykes is now covered and should be reinstated.

Source: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2600356 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akecheta18 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

That's a press release, i.e. not independent coverage. --Michig (talk) 06:33, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Precious again

"I'll see what I can do"
Thank you, master editor of Caribbean music and its people, such as Visions of Dennis Brown, for adding infoboxes early, for dealing fairly with articles for deletion, offering help ("He appears to be notable, but the article certainly needs some work. I'll see what I can do ...") and referencing hundreds of BLPs, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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A year ago, you were the 921st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you again. --Michig (talk) 09:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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Alex Masucci

dear Michig,

I worked on this piece for months before it went live. I am dyslexic and so something that takes you five minutes may take my days.

I worked with and he asked me questions on Salsa author Juan Antonio Moreno-Velázquez

I have spoken with Chris Blackwell and many fania Artist or othe labels own by Jerry that could help me understand Alex Masucci's start in Salsa.

So helP my dyslexic brain get this together as this man has played an import role in history read the Marc Pollock article Alex did help Bob Marley into the uS on the Black radio stations known then .

Alex was apart of Fania records from inception in 1964 -1978.

Literally raised in the Latin music industry, Alex played an integral part of the formation and development of the supremely sophisticated, red hot dance genre the world that would come to be known as ‘Salsa’. Alex distributored and promoted 'Our Latin Thing' directored by Lean Gast produced by Jerry Masucci. Alex promoted and co produce with his brother the first wave of Fania All Star Concerts throughout the United States and Latin America. Including the famous Yankee Studium concert.

Championing artists such as Ruben Blades and Bobby Rodriguez - Alex produced many of the hits during the 70’s.

Eddie Benitez credits Alex for discovering him and signing him to Fania Records.

Jerry Masucci and Alex Masucci Produced and promoted artists that have sold many millions of records. 

Salsa historian and Village Voice scribe Ed Morales, author of ‘The Latin Beat: The Rhythms and Roots of Latin Music, from Bossa Nova to Salsa and Beyond’ writes:

"Trying to define Salsa music is like trying to define Latinos in the United States, it is so culturally sophisticated and diverse, so unique to the tongues & rituals of the barrios and countries that have birthed the musical ‘embasadores’ who have traveled the world bringing ‘el ritmo’ to all parts of the globe.  Fania has not just Latin music, but global popular music as well. Pacheco and the Masucci brothers provided the imagination, creative vision and business structure that was necessary for the development of an entirely new form of music that can only be equated in importance to American Jazz music or with the phenomenon that Motown was to the integration and acceptance of Black music by American and for that matter, global pop culture.  What Fania and its men of vision did is truly that important, yet continues to remain unrecognized by music historians.” 

Fania Records VP Alex Masucci 1972 used the The Cheetah Lounge to film ' Our Latin Thing'

The next Fania All Star concert after the release of the movie film ' Our Latin Thing' it was held at Yankee Stadium, a historical day. Friday, August 23, 1973 featuring Fania All Stars, which was attended by 45,000 people. This was included in the second set of 50 recordings in a list preserved in the National Recording Registry.

Alex VP of Fania Records headed with the Fania All Stars and Celia Cruz in 1974 to performed in Zaire, Africa, at the Stadium du Hai in Kinshasa, which was attended by 80,000 people.  'Salsa Madness.  Live in Africa' This Film and concert were coordinated by the Masucci brother's. The movie was shot by Oscar-winner director Leon Gast this historical film 'When We Were Kings' recorded the legendary boxing match known as "Rumble in the Jungle," between Mohammed Ali and George Foreman the heavyweight title fight.  Alex is in this movie, Footage of this Leon Gast film was included in the 2008 documentary film Soul Power.

In 1975 Fania Records produced two albums from the Yankee Stadium concert. The Masucci brother's Jerry and Alex recognized Larry Harlow's directing skills in the studio which resulted in his studio work of Live at the Yankee Stadium volume 1& 2.

In concert Hector Lavoe, Santos Colón Ismael Quintana, Pete "El Conde" Rodriguez, Cheo Feliciano, Ismael Miranda, Justo Betancourt, Bobby Cruz also at the concert was Jerry Masucci's other record company Vaya Records artists too headlining Celia Cruz.  Jerry Masucci and Alex Masucci produced concerts at Madison Square Gardens in 1975, 1976, 1977 and 1978. 

Alex had grown restless for new challenges and decided to take up Chris Blackwells offer to be his assistant and head special projects at Island Records. Success came quickly to the new division and among Alex’s credits, he signed and produced worldwide hit albums for The Invisible Man’s Band’s “All Night Thing” and Third World’s huge international hit “Now that We Found Love” Co produced' The third World film ' ROOTS'

Music & film industry visionary Neil Bogart noticed Alex’s success at Island and urged him to join his newly formed Boardwalk Records.

All Roads Lead to Fania In the early ‘90’s Alex re-partnered with his brother Jerry in the Salsa label Cache’. This was to be the beginning of a new era for the Masucci brothers aiming for the re-activation of the then largely dormant Fania label group and a plan to take Fania public. Template:Http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/company/fania-entertainment-group-ltd-45993-9777 sadly Jerry passed away before these plans could be realized and Alex understandably lost heart for the moment. As an intense period of mourning drew near a close. Chris Blackwell again reached out to Alex and asked him to build a new Latin music company, Island Miami. 

The reporter 'Masucci heading Latin unit for Island April 16, 1997.

Daily Variety Los Angeles By Adam Sandler Alex was named as vice president and general manager, and later, after the sale of Island and the two had departed, a joint venture was struck between Masucci Entertainment and Blackwell’s newly formed Palm Pictures. The Masucci brother's family legacy is the Latin Music industry we have today. In the future the iconic music the documentary film's produced and distributed by the Masucci brother's are the legacy for generations to come 'How Salsa Music all began' Alex went to Cuba to settle his brothers affairs and on that trip he discovered a group called Carlos Manuel Colon

discography[edit] Invisible Man's Band - All Night Thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usSO_70l6XU 

Music Producer, http://www.discogs.com/artist/367633-Alex-Masucci

Alex Masucci music credits http://www.artistdirect.com/artist/alex-masucci/623634 

References[edit] Alex Masucci Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/pub/alex-masucci/0/663/59b artistdirect.com 

Alex Masucci music credits http://www.artistdirect.com/artist/alex-masucci/623634 

Our Latin Thing, Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec6_FKjAyDM 

Rumble in the jungle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijOjRTqPICk 

Variety Magazine, ' Masucci tops new Island Latin label' http://variety.com/1997/scene/vpage/masucci-tops-new-island-latin-label-1117434475/

A salsa Documentary featuring Alex Masucci, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/latinmusicusa/index.html#/en/bts/credits/02

The Hollywood Reporter 67th edition wednesday 16th April 1997 " Masucci Heading Latin Unit for Island"

LA Times 'A sea Change' 26th May 2001

This article needs additional or more specific categories. Please help out by adding categories to it so that it can be listed with similar articles. (June 2014) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mintlamb (talk • contribs)

The Alex Masucci article was deleted simply because consensus was reached at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion that it should be. The main concern expressed in the discussion was that the subject did not satisfy our notability criteria (Wikipedia:Notability) as well as promotional tone. Notability needs to be demonstrated by citing reliable independent sources. At the time the article was deleted, the only reliable independent source cited in the article was a small piece from Variety about his appointment as head of Island's Latin division (Youtube, Linkedin, and discogs.com are not reliable sources). I'm sorry if you put a lot of effort into this only to see it get deleted, but consensus from the discussion was clear in this case. My involvement here was simply to close the discussion based on the consensus that had been reached. If you feel that you can address the issues, primarily by adding reliable independent sources that discuss Alex Masucci in more detail than brief mentions then I would happy to restore the article to userspace for you to work on. --Michig (talk) 07:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, my 2c on this is that I am very interested to learn more of the connection between Blackwell and Fania, and how Fania All Stars came to play in London in 1974. I, and not very many others, attended that show and were dazzled! I hope with a bit of diligence, sufficient Alex Masucci refs can be found to satisfy the notability requirement. Meanwhile I do see that the Jerry Masucci article also needs some attention. Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

YGM

Hello, Michig. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Please let me know when you respond, as I do not check my Wikipedia email regularly. Airplaneman ✈ 14:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@Airplaneman: Articles created for payment will eventually get found out, will likely get deleted, and then it will be harder to create an article in the future. If an article is justified, the best thing to do is find sources which demonstrate notability and start creating the article in draft space, citing those sources, and ask for help within Wikipedia to improve the article. It is possible that another editor could contact you via email genuinely offering help, but if they have nothing to hide they will be much more likely to contact you via your talk page. Unless we can positively identify someone as a WP editor I don't think there's much we can do about people making these offers off-wiki, other than to ignore them. --Michig (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

That is true – thanks! I just wanted to point out the impersonation (I did see the note on your user page). Airplaneman ✈ 14:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Re: View AfD

Really appreciate the feedback in the AfD Discussion. Glad you weighed in since this is definitely in your wheelhouse! The nominator seems to have disregarded WP:NOT42 and I noticed that the Delete vote editor has never voted once in favor of Keeping an article, ever. Anyway I responded to your Merge vote over there, and just wanted to let you know. I feel like Merging isn't optimal since both of the co-founders of that band have been so active after the band's break-up, and in the interest of clarity I'm wondering if you see how a separate article could be warranted? I have been trying to update the article to reflect that but it's slow going because there's so much. Would appreciate any feedback you have. Thanks!Yogaball (talk) 00:55, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Laura Dawn

Thanks for finding those reviews. It was a bad faith prod anyway, but nevertheless, I think when I originally created the article, we were not really using Allmusic as an RS, and the other material simply wasn't available online. It's a good reminder to me to check for new stuff occasionally, even on an otherwise "complete" article. MSJapan (talk) 05:10, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Notability of towns and settlements

On what basis do you claim that every town and settlement in the world is inherently notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.102.237 (talk) 04:02, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features): "Legally recognized, populated places are presumed to be notable." --Michig (talk) 05:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Joan Caballero and Stanislav Danko

Hi Michig,

Can you undelete please articles about footballers - Slovak Stanislav Danko and Spanish Joan Manuel Sánchez Caballero. They made their debut for Michalovce on 8 August 2015 against FC ViOn Zlaté Moravce. [source: http://int.soccerway.com/matches/2015/08/08/slovakia/super-liga/mfk-zemplin-michalovce/fc-zlate-moravce/2064931/] Thank you IQual (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

@IQual: I have restored these. If you could update them with a source verifying that they have played a professional league match it would be appreciated. --Michig (talk) 07:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Urgent Help

Can you please be kind enough to look at the Reported usernames noticeboard for a minute concerning Dmacks1, it appears to a compromised admin account . Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 08:01, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't see an entry there for Dmacks1, and there doesn't appear to be a user named Dmacks1 in WP - care to clarify? --Michig (talk) 08:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

OK, found them. It looks like they have already been blocked indefinitely. --Michig (talk) 08:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Rustic (Game) deleted for no reason?

Hello, my name is Aaron and I was wondering why you deleted my page named Rustic (Game). You said it was because I did not have a credible source which I did (a game page) and I was finishing up a website for the game. If you can I would like you to restore the page or make it again because I did have a credible source and was going to add the website for the game shortly after that (that is how I found out it was deleted). If those two links were not enough, I am the dev of the game. Those 3 combined should be enough for any game page. Surely, you should have backup or copy and paste text of all the pages delete just in case you make a mistake. If you do, can you restore or remake the page (or at least put it in your reply)? Thank you.

Aaronth07 (talk) 15:52, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If you are the game's developer then you should read WP:COI and WP:GNG before attempting to proceed in this matter. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 16:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The article was deleted after this public discussion. There you can see what several other editors thought, which is what led to the deletion. I notice you did not participate in that discussion. The key concepts mentioned are all about notability and independent/reliable sourcing, which means the WP:GNG guideine. It has nothing to do with whether this subject truely exists or whether what you say about it is true, but instead whether it is worthy of an article at this time. Articles can be "undeleted" with the click of an (admin) button. DMacks (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I get what you are saying. If the game is not worthy of an article yet, can I get the page source code copy and pasted into here so I can work on it in my sandbox? Aaronth07 (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I also note that you were advised about a potential conflict of interest over a week ago. How would you address these concerns? _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 16:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I dont know what the conflict of interest was. Also if Michig could post the page source code I will edit it in my sandbox where it wont disturb anyone. Aaronth07 (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

As has been pointed out it, if you are the developer of the game, you have a conflict of interest (i.e. you have an interest in promoting the game), so it would be better to wait until independent coverage of the game exists and for someone else to write an article about it. The particpants in the AfD decided it shouldn't have an article at this time, not me. You should not even consider recreating the article until the concerns raised in the AfD have been addressed. --Michig (talk) 06:12, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Dear Michig I just wanted to say thank you for your intervention regarding Brian Anderson (boxer) to coin a phase they were simply dancing rings around me. Will you be monitoring revision on the page as clearly I have a conflict of Interest.

Kind Regards Brian Bganderson1961 (talk) 17:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I'll try to keep an eye on it. I don't like what has been done there but my opinion doesn't necessarily carry more weight than anybody else's. --Michig (talk) 06:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of Article/Carmine Miranda

Hi Michig,

I wanted to discuss the deletion of an article about cellist Carmine Miranda. This article was deleted on 24 November 2014.

As a classical music enthusiast, I discovered Carmine Miranda's playing a couple of years ago, when he released the Bach Cello Suites on Centaur Records:

http://www.centaurrecords.com/store/crc-3263-3264-2-cds-j-s-bach-6-suites-for-cello.html http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=870231

I noticed that his Wikipedia article was deleted due to a conflict of interest of an individual (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lilianarice) who made several edits to the page and was suspected of being a paid promoter for Carmine Miranda.

This is an unfortunate circumstance since there are numerous verifiable sources that can account for Carmine's notability as a professional musician. I am happy to help provide these sources and to work on the Wikipedia article about him. Below is a short list of sources, including articles in print and online music publications, features and interviews on radio stations, and mentions by awards and institutions. I have plenty more that I can provide as evidence to Carmines notability and that can be used in the Wikipedia article as cited sources.

Review of his most recent commercial release on Navona Records, Alfredo Piatti: 12 Caprices for Solo Cello (http://navonarecords.com/catalog/nv5972/) in Gramophone Magazine: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/piatti-12-caprices-for-solo-cello?pmtx=orange-all&utm_expid=32540977-3.FNZqseMjTvyRLIewfMgTiA.2&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Flinproxy.fan.workers.dev%3A443%2Fhttps%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Review on classical music blog, The Classical Reviewer: http://theclassicalreviewer.blogspot.com/2014/10/venezuelanamerican-cellist-carmine.html

Review in Cincinnati Magazine found on EBSCOhost: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/99535682/well-strung

Gold Medal given to Carmine from the Global Music Awards in December 2014: http://www.globalmusicawards.com/Winners-Dec-2014.html

Nomination in January 2015 from the Hollywood Music in Media Awards (HMMA): http://www.hmmawards.com/2015-music-genre-nominees2015-january-music-genre-nominees-2/

Article on Czech National Radio (Český rozhlas) about a concert at a music festival in Krumlov, Czech Republic: http://www.rozhlas.cz/mozaika/hudba/_zprava/v-ceskem-krumlove-propojili-zapad-vychod-i-stred-sveta-a-dychali-v-jedinem-hudebnim-rytmu--1520812

I believe that these article and links provide verifiable evidence that Carmine Miranda is a professional classical cellist. I am happy to work on his Wikipedia article so that it is written with an unbiased point-of-view.

I would like to request that the deletion of Carmine Miranda's Wikipedia article is removed and that his article is brought back to an active status.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

E.fortin240 (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

While there were concerns expresed over paid editing, the article was deleted because there was consensus that the subject did not satisfy the relevant notability guidelines. The content was poorly sourced or not not sourced at all in some cases, so I would be reluctant to restore it. My recommendation if you feel you have sufficient reliable independent sources would be to start an article from scratch. --Michig (talk) 06:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

emperor

i see on your page that you have an interest for extreme metal so i think the cancellation of my modification is not due to the lack (the usual excuse of black metal's fans to hide the truth) of sources... and is, then, unfair — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sant Erwan (talk • contribs) 10:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't properly sourced. If you want to add any content that could be considered controversial you need to properly cite reliable sources, i.e. stating *exactly* where that content is sourced from. --Michig (talk) 10:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I see that you think that wikipedia is about point of view not about telling the truth. i've cited a reliable source esoterra, on perfidious criminals made stars and i can produce the paper version of it— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sant Erwan (talk • contribs)

No it's not about point of view, far from it. It's about verifiability, which requires reliable sources to be properly cited, which you didn't do. You would first need to establish EsoTerra as a reliable source (and I'm not convinced it satisfies WP:RS), and then cite it properly, indicating author, publisher, ISBN, page number(s). Then you would need to summarise the content rather than copying a large section of text from it. --Michig (talk) 11:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Let Them Eat Bingo

Thanks for expanding Let Them Eat Bingo by Beats International, which I created a couple of weeks ago, leading to it thankfully being saved from deletion. I love doing basic editing of Wikipedia articles and creating new pages - albums especially - but even after all these years I'm still not great at getting them up to full Wikipedia standards so any help like that is very much appreciated and I continue to learn!

Keep up the good work. --Geach (talk) 21:25, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of Article/Donncha O'Cearbhaill

I've noticied that you have deleted the Wikipedia entry for Donncha O'Cearbhaill / Palladium, a former member of Lulzsec. The deletion discussion centred around a lack of notability and BLP violations. While not stated in the article, Palladium was convicted for hacking in Ireland and not just question about a crime. The case was covered widely in Irish media at the time .

Palladium is one of the main individuals featured in the authoritative book about the group Hacker, Hoaxer, Whistleblower, Spy: The Many Faces of Anonymous. He is also featured in the another book on the subject . The previous article would benefit from linking to these more recent secondary sources which provide extended context and notability for the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abacus21 (talk • contribs)

Coverage over one crime (whether they were convicted or not) wouldn't be sufficient to get someone past WP:BLP1E. It would really need ongoing coverage with a broader focus to justify an article. --Michig (talk) 07:59, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

With this ever dramatic world and winter coming, here's a cup of tea to alleviate your day! This e-tea's remains have been e-composted SwisterTwister talk 05:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Merger discussion for List of awards and nominations received by Tilda Swinton

An article that you have been involved in editing—List of awards and nominations received by Tilda Swinton —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Ntb613 (talk) 18:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

John Dobson (rugby union)

Hi there, I noticed you deleted the John Dobson (rugby union) article on 4 July 2015. I'm planning on creating it again, but I was just wondering if you still have access to the content of the article before its deletion (just in case there's something on there that I could merge into my version of the article)? It was initially deleted due to being unsourced; obviously I will ensure that everything is properly sourced before creating the article again. Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask, I didn't really know where this should go. It's no big deal if you can't access deleted pages either (and this request is definitely not urgent), I just thought I'd ask. Thanks, TheMightyPeanut (talk) 16:49, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi. There wasn't much there. The content was:

'''John Dobson''' is the head coach of DHL Western Province, the professional rugby team of the Western Province (Cape Town) that plays in the Absa Currie Cup, South Africa's premier domestic rugby competition. Dobson also coaches the team in the Vodacom Cup. Dobson was formerly head coach of the University of Cape Town, from where he holds four degrees. He is also a published fiction author and a founder of the 365 sports media group. *<ref>http://www.uctrfc.co.za</ref>

--Michig (talk) 21:20, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

You're right, not much to use there. But thanks a lot for replying! TheMightyPeanut (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Bubblegum Splash

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JonTron

Why did you delete the JonTron page :( You are totally not swood! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.101.165.214 (talk) 23:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

still problems with an editor

Remember HoldenV8 (talk · contribs)? Whilst there has been improvement in using citations, after several warnings, he still drifts astray [4] LibStar (talk) 12:31, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I've warned them that continuing with these edits is likely to lead to a block. If you feel that they are continuing to make problematic edits WP:ANI would probably the best place to take it. --Michig (talk) 09:25, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

thanks , here's another recent one [5]. LibStar (talk) 09:42, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Alka Matewa

You deleted Alka Matewa article, kickboxer who is now notable as he fought for ISKA World Title, please return article. Reference Reference Master Sun Tzu (talk) 04:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

The article has been restored. --Michig (talk) 11:53, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Please dont attempt to harass and intimidate new Wikipedia editors

If this continues I will report your account. You expect others to act in good faith, then demonstrate it yourself. Dalamani (talk) 11:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Go ahead. If you think advising you that accusing other editors of sockpuppetry without a shred of evidence is harassment then knock yourself out. --Michig (talk) 11:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Dalamani, this is a stick that you need to drop. If you report Michig, administrators will look at it and decide what to do about it. I'm an administrator, and I'm here to tell you Michig did nothing wrong: making false accusations, however, is wrong. As for that AfD, you were simply told that the way you went about it was not the right way. The proper response is to say "ok thanks" and learn from it, not to claim you're being harassed, cause you weren't. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Stick has been dropped, and my final message to Michig was exactly that, however as for false accusations why isnt Michigs comment accusing me of having an agenda with this article wrong? Cuts both ways. And while Im sure that your opinion as 'administrator' matters to you, yours is only one opinion among many. Consider that. Dalamani (talk) 00:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Good. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 05:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Should the Lizzy Borden (singer) redirect be deleted?

Hello, you removed all the content in the Lizzy_Borden_(singer) page, your edit is here. I believe the redirect is not so useful, in my opinion either we restore at least few lines of the "Lizzy Borden (singer)" page or we should delete that redirect entirely and fix all the links that points to the "Lizzy Borden (singer)" page. In the latter case, all links should point to the "Lizzy Borden (band)" page. What do you think about my idea? Regards. (Please ping me if you want to reply) --Jacobubus (talk) 14:47, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

There was nothing in the article on the singer that wasn't also in the article on the band, so it was really redundant. I agree any links to the singer page would be better changed to link to the band page. I'll go ahead and change them. --Michig (talk) 14:52, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

• Jacobubus, I agree with Michig. In such cases, if there aren't reliable sources that discuss the individual outside of their career in a band, we don't have separate articles. Michig, there's some advice for this situation, isn't there? Somewhere in NBAND? I gotta jet--Mrs. Drmies came home and I can't have her catch me behind the computer. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks both; Michig fixed all the links, as far as I know. I will ask the redirect deletion as soon as I understand how to do that. --Jacobubus (talk) 12:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Jimmy D'Anda page was redirected

This is Jimmy D'Anda and you redirected my page to a band that I was previously in. Though this band did make me popular, I am noted independent drummer. I have virtually written my own wiki page and I believe I am a proper source for my own career, though I could add outside sources to make you feel better. I do appreciate you feeling that you are helping people who are searching for me and want more information, I do not believe the BulletBoys page is a logical choice since I have not been associated with them for many years and I am known for my work in other acts and as an independent drummer. In all seriousness, I would rather eliminate any mention of BulletBoys at all from my bio. Thoughts? --jimmydanda (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:28, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

For the article to stay here you will need to cite reliable independent sources to support all statements in the article, e.g. newspapers, magazines, books, professional websites, etc. The article will also need to demonstrate that either of the notability guidelines WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC are satisfied. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 07:12, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

The Ox and the Fury talk page

I see you've redirected the main article, I had already transcluded the content. But what about its talk page? I've also transcluded the commentary in preparation of a redirect as a result of the AfD's merge result.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I think it would be better to leave the talk page there with the AfD result on it in to make it clear why it was merged and redirected. --Michig (talk) 21:11, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you. Have a good Christmas and new year. --Michig (talk) 19:17, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

The Tarantulas deleted joke material

Hello, you messaged me concerning the material I deleted. The material I deleted was all just made up speculative material created by someone that had no references and apparently felt like abusing Wikipedia because they were angry over a recent trademark dispute concerning the name "The Tarantulas". Thank you for understanding these concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.98.70 (talk) 08:30, 26 December 2015 (UTC) I also just deleted a reference referring to a San Diego Beat article that states "Shams says he's gone after 10 to 15 other bands that have the word Tarantula in their name, and he's compelled some to change". Someone changed the wording around and stated some incorrect information on The Tarantulas wiki page. It was not a direct quote. Furthermore, the information contained in the San Diego Beat article is also incorrect and restated. "Shams says he's gone after 10 to 15 other bands that have the word Tarantula in their name, and he's compelled some to change", is not a quote by Shams, and has no reference, it is merely a statement by the editor of the article and does contain some truthful information, but also contains some information that is misstated and taken out of context. All of the pertinent information regarding The Tarantulas trademark disputed is located on the USPTO website, which is referenced under the trademark section. The USPTO website contains actual documents available to the public concerning the legal disputes between Shams and other entities, not just bands. These are the documents that should be used under the trademark section of the wiki artice for The Tarantulas, and they are factual, correct legal documents.

Audley Retirement

Hi Michig. You were involved in the deletion of the Audley Retirement page in November. I believe you spoke to my colleague, Anastasiageva, who made some additions/amends to the page at the time. It was deleted, though, so I'm now trying to add references to get it to meet the notability guidelines as I believe it's a notable enough company to warrant a page. Any advice on launching a deletion review and proving notability would be appreciated. Becsmorice (talk) 11:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

You can see the discussion that led to the article's deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Audley Retirement. The concerns were both the tone of the article and the fact that notability was not demonstrated. The relevant notability guideline is Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). You would need to be able to satisfy the conditions described there, i.e. demonstrate that the subject has received significant coverage in reliable independent sources. The article, before it was deleted, cited a few local news stories, but these are often not sufficient to satisfy the guideline. If you can identify coverage that would satisfy this guideline, let me know and I can restore the article for you to work on. --Michig (talk) 20:57, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Death Before Dishonor (band)

You participated in an AFD on the Death Before Dishonor (band) article supporting keeping the article based on references you'd located that demonstrated notability of the band. Please improve that article with those sources. The article has sat with a reference concern tag for 3 years. --RadioFan (talk) 18:16, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Most of the sources I found were linked in the AfD. There's nothing to stop you adding them yourself. --Michig (talk) 19:43, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

River Lea (song)

You may want to close this too.--MaranoFan (talk) 15:07, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

It has a while to run yet. --Michig (talk) 16:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Teenage fanclub

You'll be pleased to hear that I'm not going to be reverting your re-reversion of my is/are edit. However, I am British and your assertion that "are" is British grammar is completely groundless, even though that appears to be the (unwritten?) standard wikipedia has adopted. 31.54.33.97 (talk) 12:34, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Request to restore deleted page - Betty X

Betty X is an influential female musician, conceptual artist, and songwriter that first made her impact in Seattle during the 1990's. She has been described by Seattle publications as a "Dangerously sexy blend of poisonous and volatile apocalyptic-metal with sarcastic aggro female vocals." Betty X has become one of the most recognized names in conceptual art, post-apocalyptic rock - not just in Seattle, but in Austin and Los Angeles, as well. She continues to be a powerful influence for female singers/songwriters/artists/musicians and participates on many panel discussions and appearances along with Patti Quatro and others, in addition to her live performances and collaborations with such bands as Ministry and Pigface.

Betty X is currently gearing up to release her fifth solo album, which is being co-produced by the legendary Al Jourgensen of Ministry fame, confirming her presence as a current and relevant musician. This article supports the claim that Betty X has played with Ministry, , and removes any question of the claim's validity.

This article , as well as this book excerpt, , confirm and validate her work with Martin Atkins and Pigface: Tour Smart.

From her first band, Salon Betty, which performed with Alice In Chains and other influential Seattle bands, to being featured on the new Surgical Meth Machine (Al Jourgensen's new project) to be released April 15th on Nuclear Blast records, Betty X continues to be relevant in the music industry.

Betty X is affiliated with Salon Betty, Satan in High Heels, Ministry, Pigface, Sheep on Drugs, and Surgical Meth Machine. She has current websites and fan pages including , , , , . It would be a detriment to the history of female artists and musicians, as well as the history of post-apocalyptic rock, music in Seattle, etc.

With all due respect, I am requesting that this page, which has been active for over 10 years, be fully restored. Any claims that were deemed to be without validation will be updated, as well as any other pertinent information. Not only does the removal of this page have an impact on booking agents, etc., to research Betty X, but it also hinders the education of younger generation conceptual artists, musicians, singers, and songwriters. Terivangogo (talk) 20:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

The article was deleted as there was consensus that the subject did not meet the relevant notability criteria. The sources that you have identified are not sufficient to address that concern. --Michig (talk) 20:51, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

FYI M this thread Wikipedia:Help desk#Deleted.2Fremoved article - Betty X has already answered this persons questions. I have directed the to WP:DRV as well. Cheers and enjoy your week. MarnetteD|Talk 21:07, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. --Michig (talk) 21:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Lana Del Rey's "Freak" being Dream Pop

A while back you called my edit a "genre-warrior" edit. I agree. However, I have an excellent reference (I'm bad at Wikipedia as you can tell) citing that Honeymoon is an Ambient Pop (a form of Dream Pop that doesn't have its own page) record, and that Freak is Alt-R&B and Dream Pop. When you get the time would you mind referencing those to this link as a ref? http://iprobablyhateyourband.com/all-reviews/album-review-lana-del-rey-honeymoon/ thanks bestie, more to come but i would REALLY appreciate it, to honor Ms. Del Rey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleccat (talk • contribs) 21:58, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

That doesn't look like a reliable source to me. You would need to find several reliable sources and demonstrate that there's a consensus between them that a song is a particular genre. --Michig (talk) 22:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Leicester City F.C.

Greetings Michig. I wonder if you have any thoughts about the use of WP:CRYSTAL by over-excited I/p's. I share their enthusiasm but fear it may be annoying serious customers. Regards JRPG (talk) 23:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

The edits appear to have stopped. If they continue I would suggest requesting semi-protection at WP:RFPP. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 07:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Michig, that advice will be useful elsewhere as well. JRPG (talk) 15:01, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Please discontinue your disruptive edits, as you did to Lady Saw. The Jamaican Observer and Jamaica Gleaner. I felt a reference behind the birth date would be redundant as many musician's pages do not have them, yet they are correct whether a reference is there or not. Not too mention that one of the references I gave, listed her birth date, among many other things. The page was respectfully reverted and the date format were correct as DMY.

• Birth date was verified to be 12 July 1972 [6][7]
• Businesswoman was verified. She is the owner/founder of The Lady Saw Foundation [8]. Also, please note that she has an established recording label, Diva Records. She also owns a recording studio.[9][10]

Horizonlove (talk) 23:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

If you think reverting your edits that added unsourced date of birth, other unsourced claims, inconsistent date formats, changes against the manual of style, etc. are disruptive, you really need to get acquainted with our guidelines and policies. And if you think sources such as richestcelebrities.org are reliable sources suitable for citing in BLPs you need to stop editing and start reading policies and guidelines such as WP:RS, etc. Simply accusing me of being disruptive when you as a new editor do things wrong is just childish. --Michig (talk) 06:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I am not a new editor. I am very familiar with the rules. How can you claim the date of birth to be unsourced when I provided a 'new' reference in the infobox? Horizonlove (talk) 08:11, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• Horizonlove has asked for help in connection with this disagreement, so I have looked at the relevant editing history. I don't know how reliable the sources are, although they don't look very impressive. However, I do see that both of you are edit-warring on the article, which is not a good way to resolve a disagreement, and could lead to either or both of you being blocked from editing. Perhaps the best way to proceed will be to take it to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, so as to try to get a consensus on whether the sources are reliable. It is also possible you may find something at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Michig, I suggest you may find it helpful to re-read what you wrote above, and consider whether you expressed yourself in the best possible way. It may read to some people like simply dismissing Horizonlove's concerns, rather than like a friendly attempt to help him or her understand why you think he or she is mistaken. It is particularly worth making sure that messages don't come across as unfriendly or dismissive when writing to a new editor, which is what you said you regard Horizonlove as. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:00, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your concern. The sources for DoB clearly fall short of our expectations for WP:RS, and are nowhere near good enough to be cited in a BLP. They should be removed along with the date of birth. I have reverted BLP violations as well as other uncontructive edits, which should be obvious from the article history. I left a standard BLP warning message on the editor's talk page and followed it up with pointers to the relavant policies, even though they have showed no desire to take any notice of these concerns. We cannot allow these additions to remain simply due to concerns over 'edit-warring'. I have already pointed this editor towards WP:RS, WP:BLP, and WP:MOSBIO, but this editor (who appears to be relatively new, but claims to be 'not a new editor' and 'familiar with the rules') clearly has not taken the time to read and understand them. If you really wish to help them I would suggest that you explain to them our policy regarding reliable sources and BLPs, and perhaps explain to them that my removal of unsourced and poorly sourced material is not 'disruptive' and that their behaviour has so far been far from constructive. If you could also keep an eye on the article to ensure that further BLP violations are not added that would be helpful. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 12:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

JamesBWatson, I thank you for your help and understanding. Right now, I think the page is in great standing. But I would like to say that I refused to engage in an edit war with Michig. Just some food for thought, if you look at the page's history, you will notice that Michig has reverted behind many users. Some of those edits were not in good faith. Anyway, with the level of disrespect he has shown when I try to take the page out of the "stub" status, I think I will discontinue any further editing on that page. Horizonlove (talk) 16:56, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

The article history speaks for itself. Are you suggesting that my previous reverts on the article were not in good faith? If so could you point out which ones, and why you believe that? --Michig (talk) 17:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Notability Criteria for boxers

Following discussion with you have been engaged in, I have put forward an amendment to the Notability Criteria for boxers which is up for discussion Here. Your in put would be greatly welcomed. --Donniediamond (talk) 09:35, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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Solitaire & Mahjong

An issue with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Solitaire & Mahjong that isn't obvious: The content at Solitaire & Mahjong was moved from User:Aaaloco/Solitaire & Mahjong under the edit summary "stale draft that responds to a redlink" (not by the author whose namespace in which it resided). Per the guideline about such moves WP:STALEDRAFT "If suitable for mainspace, move to mainspace". If the content gets nominated for deletion and subsequently deleted, it clearly wasn't suitable for the mainspace.

So, that leads to my request, would you restore the content to User:Aaaloco/Solitaire & Mahjong? Best Regards,—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 20:50, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Aaaloco hasn't made an edit for over four years. If it was restored to their user space it seems unlikely it would ever get worked on. Consensus in the AfD discussion was that the topic is simply not notable. Do you have sources that would deal with this issue? If it were to be restored perhaps draft space would be a better place? --Michig (talk) 08:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I would be fine with a restoration to the draft namespace. Your close of the deletion discussion was completely reasonable and appropriate. My issue is with the potential abuse of process by the mover of the page: MfD would have been the proper forum for a deletion discussion as their move was inappropriate per above. AfD has higher standards than MfD, as they govern different namespaces, and what content can exist in each namespace varies per policies and guidelines. I don't plan to improve the content at this time, I've actually never seen the page, as I came across this situation after its deletion. I'll definitely take a look into it if the content is restored.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 09:09, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Restored to Draft:Solitaire & Mahjong. --Michig (talk) 09:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! —Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 09:41, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Would you mind offering your opinion regarding this at the ANI discussion? It seems like the concern was entirely about the location and basis for the discussion and there is seemingly no interest in the actual work on it. Was that your intention with restoring it, that the AFD itself was incorrect or was it for the purpose of hopefully seeing something being worked on? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:25, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Michig: A recent edit you performed at AfD has been reverted. You may want to check it out. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:14, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

lol. --Michig (talk) 08:36, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Carmine Miranda

Hello Michig,

Trust your day has been fine.

The subject page was deleted on 24 November 2014 following the outcome of a deletion discussion.

I would appreciate an opportunity to rewrite and post a new article on Carmine. Your help and guidance will be greatly appreciated.

Please see below on Carmine

Awards. http://www.globalmusicawards.com/Winners-Dec-2014.html http://www.hmmawards.com/2015-music-genre-nominees2015-january-music-genre-nominees-2/

Magazines: Cincinnati Magazine: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/99535682/well-strung The Strad: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/entertainment-reviews/89700793/illuminating-manuscripts Gramophone Magazine: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/music-reviews/113093833/piatti Limelight Magazine: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/music-reviews/101448950/12-caprices-solo-cello

Carmine is also a published author in a U.K. musicological journals called The Musical Times.

I will guided by your recommendation.

Kind regards.

Becky.

--Beckycontrols (talk) 16:20, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Not being able to see the detail in those sources it's hard for me to judge whether they would be sufficient to establish notability. If you want to start a new article I would suggest you do so at Draft:Carmine Miranda and only move it into article space once notability is clear. --Michig (talk) 08:45, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Jimmy Riley was born May 22 1947. you can verify that from the program from his funeral and the photographs displayed. I'm not a Wiki user but was tired of seing the incorrect age. The Jamaica-gleaner.com as well as jamaica.obsever.com (whom incidentally are the ones credited with the incorrect year) had an article on it. I will state that I am not familiar with referencing my info. but I urge you to go check. Wish I had the program to send you a picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JedLak (talk • contribs) 22:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Jimmy Riley was born May 22 1947. you can verify that from the program from his funeral and the photographs displayed. I'm not a Wiki user but was tired of seing the incorrect age. The Jamaica-gleaner.com as well as jamaica.obsever.com (whom incidentally are the ones credited with the incorrect year) had an article on it. I will state that I am not familiar with referencing my info. but I urge you to go check. Wish I had the program to send you a picture.JedLak (talk) 22:23, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

We have to go with the sources we have, which so far in the article support 1954. Looking at the Observer site, however, they have later stated he was 68. I also found a couple of good sources (Billboard and NME) that support the 1947 date, so I'll change it and add the sources. --Michig (talk) 07:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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Vandalism includes removal of Will Farquharson as a Current Member and listing him as a Past Member, adding Merle Allin to the band, removal of Chris "Woody" Wood as band-member, calling the band a "three-piece" when it is a "four-piece" and posting that Dan Smith doesn't wear a seatbelt.

Is it possible for you to Add this page to your Watchlist, return it to the version of April 24, and stop malicious users from posting false info.

I was at Bastille's first U.S. gig this year on April 23, 2016 at Sweetwater 420 Festival. All four band members played. Someone is just pulling a prank.

Please help.

Thanks, @librariegrrl Librariegrrl (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

The article is already semi-protected. The version from 24 April contains some of the issues you say are vandalism, so it wouldn't seem a good idea to revert to that. None of the details of band members are currently sourced - if that could be resolved it would make it easier to confirm when vandalism happens. I see you have already reverted edits since the article was protected - is the article now in a state that you consider to be vandalism-free? --Michig (talk) 06:10, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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In regards to "Freak"

There is evidence stating "Freak" is a psychedelic pop song, with hip-hop influences, I can link references.... http://www.idolator.com/7608565/lana-del-rey-honeymoon-album-review http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/lana-del-rey-honeymoon-20150918 http://thequietus.com/articles/18862-lana-del-rey-honeymoon-review <---- explicitly says "slow psychedelia" http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/reviews/2015/09/18/lana-del-rey-honeymoon-review/72369924/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleccat (talk • contribs) 03:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

The Quietus article states "Tracks like 'Freak' or 'Art Deco', winking to a slow psychedelia, end up being dull rather than hypnotising.", and from that you think there's a solid source to support a genre? The USA today only uses the word 'psychedelic' when referring to Miley Cyrus. Where does the Rolling Stone article state that this track is any particular genre? --Michig (talk) 05:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

"Psychedelic music (sometimes psychedelia[1]) covers a range of popular music styles and genres influenced by psychedelic culture that attempted to replicate or enhance the psychedelic experiences of psychedelic drugs." Almost every article I linked refers to the aesthetic of the song, which would therefore classify it under the Psychedelic genre. Thoughts? Aleccat (talk) 11:44, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

We would need a reliable source (ideally several, showing a consensus among them) stating that this track *is* psychedelic pop. Deriving this from the sources you have found would constitute synthesis. --Michig (talk) 16:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion, I do appreciate it. --Aleccat (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Fan sites on wiki

I don't understand this thinking. What constitutes as "most" fan sites. Burningwheel 2 (talk) 17:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

What does this relate to? --Michig (talk) 18:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Probably #11 under Wikipedia:External links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. / edg ☺ ☭ 12:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@Burningwheel 2: The parenthetical that follows that sentence sets the standard.

(This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities who are individuals always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)

/ edg ☺ ☭ 12:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Tim D'Annunzio userfication request

• Tim D'Annunzio · ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

Can this please be restored to my userspace as User:Edgarde/Tim D'Annunzio? D'Annunzio is a borderline notable figure who failed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim D'Annunzio because despite his perennial political candidacies he has never held office, and probably won't ever. Aside from that, his privately-produced anti-Obama commercials received a smattering of national notice a few years back—perhaps one day there will be an encyclopedic reason for his inclusion.

Please let me know if this is the wrong approach for handling this sort of request. / edg ☺ ☭ 12:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I've restored it to userspace as requested. If you find that you can't address the issues that led to deletion within a reasonable timeframe, please let me know as it would best be deleted again in that case. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you much! / edg ☺ ☭ 16:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Restore an article?

Hi! I was wondering if you'd be willing to userfy Carmine Miranda for Wikielite360. They're new, but they've done a decent job of fleshing out the content at Draft:Charlie Horton (footballer) from its original stub status. I figure that we can likely trust them to work on the article in their userspace until they're ready to run it by you to see if it overcomes the prior issues at AfD. I've also warned them that the article has a history of COI editors, so they're aware of all of that stuff and don't seem to have a COI offhand. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:00, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Done. --Michig (talk) 17:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Hello, it's me. Can you give an opinion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Take Me Away (Avril Lavigne song)? It contains some information which is only mentioned in this page, including another same-named song and an official Live EP. I think that it shouldn't be deleted or redirect. U990467 (talk) 16:39, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Ummm, regarding an edit you made to Ultraviolence (the track)

Okay, I found two verifiable sources that the track is an ethereal track, as I had not realized i mislinked, excuse that: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/ultraviolence-20140620 http://www.fuse.tv/videos/2014/07/lana-del-rey-ethereal-ultraviolence-video --Aleccat (talk) 05:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

'Ethereal' in this context is a descriptive term, not a genre. Someone describing an element of a track as 'ethereal' does not make the track 'ethereal wave', nor does it make 'ethereal' a genre. --Michig (talk) 06:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

"Ethereal wave,[5][6] also called ethereal darkwave,[7] ethereal goth[8] or simply ethereal,[9][10] is a subgenre of dark wave music[11][12] and is variously described as "gothic", "romantic", and "otherworldly"." cited from the wikipedia page. Ethereal is a genre, but i wanted your input because you kept reverting my edits. --Aleccat (talk) 19:19, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

You could have folk music with ethereal vocals, heavy metal with ethereal vocals, klezmer with an ethereal music video - doesn't make any of them ethereal wave, nor does it make any one fall into a genre called 'ethereal'. --Michig (talk) 19:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hello User:Michig! I admit I know little - to - nothing about post-punk - but I thought Smacksoft qualified for this list. If you have the time and patience - can you explain to me why they don't fit the category? I'm all ears. Thank you!--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 06:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

You added a band that formed in 2000 to the section 'Post-punk bands (1978–1984)'. List of post-punk revival bands is probably what you're looking for, assuming the genre can be sourced. --Michig (talk) 06:41, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 06:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Quest Community Church

Your closing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quest Community Church is a controversial closing.  Please provide your closing rationale.  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

With four arguments for deletion against one for keeping, this is not to my mind a controversial close. --Michig (talk) 12:20, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

The deletion guideline Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators states, "Consensus is not determined by counting heads, but by looking at strength of argument, and underlying policy (if any). Arguments that contradict policy, are based on opinion rather than fact, or are logically fallacious, are frequently discounted."  The information page Wikipedia:Closing discussions states, "A good admin will transparently explain how the decision was reached."  Please explain how the closing decision was reached.  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 13:25, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Consensus of arguments based on policies and guidelines. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 13:28, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Do you have anything else to add...such as identification of the applicable policies (you have yet to say whether this was speedy-delete based, WP:NOT based, or a WP:N closing), explaining the balance in the strength of argument, reviewing the discussion regarding sources (in which it appears that three of the delete !votes ignored the evidence available), and explaining if any arguments were discounted as based on opinion?  And your current closing rationale addresses none of the points, many enumerated, I brought forward in a keep !vote.  Thanks, Unscintillating (talk) 00:08, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

The key arguments for deletion were a lack of notability. Your argument to keep failed to address these with evidence of notability, and you have not produced any evidence of notability here to indicate that the deletion was incorrect. If you want to keep pursuing this you'll need to take it to WP:DRV. --Michig (talk) 06:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your consent regarding WP:DRV.  I am familiar with WP:DRV, and I've further reviewed the process today.  Following are some quotes.

• WP:DRV states, "Closures will often be changed by the closing editor without a closure review...1. if significant additional information or context was left out of the discussion and the closer was not aware of it."
• WP:DRV states, "Discuss the matter with the closing administrator and try to resolve it with him or her first. If you and the admin cannot work out a satisfactory solution, only then should you bring the matter before Deletion review."
• "Before listing a review request please attempt to discuss the matter with the closing admin as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the admin the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision."

In summary, at this time I've raised no contention here for WP:DRV to consider.  I'm still looking to understand your closing rationale.  Unscintillating (talk) 19:24, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok, your closing has identified that the key arguments were a lack of notability.  This means that you discounted the !vote of the editor requesting speedy deletion for unambiguous promotionalism.  Your closing has identified that the keep !vote failed to provide evidence, so was discounted.  What about the three notability delete !votes.  Please expand your closing to address your reading of the strength of these three arguments.  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 19:24, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

• This has gone a week without a response.  Should I then assume that you counted the three notability delete viewpoints as votes without regard for strength of argument?  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

• Which part of "The key arguments for deletion were a lack of notability. Your argument to keep failed to address these with evidence of notability, and you have not produced any evidence of notability here to indicate that the deletion was incorrect. If you want to keep pursuing this you'll need to take it to WP:DRV." do you not understand? Stop wasting my time with this nonsense. --Michig (talk) 20:36, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

• Regarding your question, please see the first of the two responses I gave in this diff.  To one point to which I didn't reply, I've started a discussion in the second of my two responses now.  Your response above does not deny that your closing counted votes without regard for strength of argument.  With no further response, this closes my request for you to provide your closing rationale.  Regards, Unscintillating (talk) 23:42, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

• Regarding my "produc[ing] evidence of notability here", the first thing I would want to know is why the results from WP:BEFORE D1 are not sufficient for you as per WP:BEFORE D3.  Respectfully, Unscintillating (talk) 23:42, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Propaganda (The Sound album)

Sorry to bother you, could you check this article out. Shortly before nominating it for AFD the nominator removed the Prefix ref and seems to have been vandalising the article.Have added the ref back but it will probably be removed again, thanksAtlantic306 (talk) 05:16, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Keeping an eye on it. --Michig (talk) 05:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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Quest Community Church review

I have previously requested explanation of your close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quest Community Church.  You've indicated that you thought this was not a controversial closing.  My impression is that there is a problem in the closing in that you've been unable to provide an assessment of strength of argument for three delete !votes.

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An AfD discussion is not a vote...Even if ten editors state an article should be deleted, and one editor states the article should be kept, but the one who wants it kept gives a good argument citing policy, while the other ten give none, this is sufficient grounds for keeping an article.

I am also presenting additional information that you would not have known.  Regarding this !vote, diff, this list, filtered for Wikipedia-space edits, shows seven related user contributions from 2016-06-20T03:31:11 through 2016-06-20T04:01:14.  A related dispute started on this same date of 2016-06-20, diff, is currently on the noticeboard at WP:RS/N.  The pattern becomes less clear at that point, but it continues at this AfD.

While it was not 100% clear at the AfD that this was a megachurch, any doubt that this was a megachurch was resolved by doing the minimal searches expected by WP:BEFORE D1 on Google news, and looking at the article titles, including More megachurches developing satellite campuses.  Once the status as a megachurch is established, I expect you to be aware that it is precedent that the topic is presumed to be wp:notable.  At the same time, WP:GNG is shown in the WP:BEFORE D1 searches.

Even by your statement that the closing was based on wp:notability, this is not a policy-based closing given the WP:Alternatives to deletion.  IMO, the correct closing here is "Keep".  I understand that you have already granted me leave to take this to DRV, but it is important to the DRV process that we first try to work out a satisfactory resolution.  Respectfully, Unscintillating (talk) 20:24, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Please stay away from me

Please stay away from me if you have no intentions of not hounding and tossing comments at me. SwisterTwister talk 06:34, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Please stop wasting other people's time with such poor deletion nominations. I'm sorry if you don't like your mistakes being pointed out but your nominations simply aren't getting any better. --Michig (talk) 06:52, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

• Note that your comment was selectively deleded form sister's talk page [11], as was mine [12], and< I presume, others. Frankly, I was surprised when I came to her page earlier today to see that there were not comments about her pattern of making deletion arguments without appearing to have checked for sources. SisterTwister frequently disruptively careless editing has troubled me for a long, long time. I believe that posting such a comment is a polite way to caution editors to avoid problematic behavior. I also do it in the hope that other editors will concur with comments of their own, which I hope will persuade editors like this one to be more careful about checking sources before opining. I have no history with this editor beyond frequently bringing sources to pages that she has dismissed with no evidence of having searched for sourcing. I have never taken an editor to ANI. Any advice on how to persuade her to be more careful about checking for sources?E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, one of the biggest problems with AfD is that editors are not required to carry out searches prior to listing articles there, which leaves them free to put a huge drain on the project's resources by repeatedly making bad nominations that take up the time of other editors. I think the only approach for someone who continues to repeatedly make obviously poor nominations would be to seek a topic ban from deletion-related activities, but it may be difficult to get a consensus for such action. You could try pointing out that failing to spend a few minutes conducting a proper Google search prior to nominating an article can cause over an hour of other people's time to be wasted (e.g. half a dozen people carrying out their own searches and commenting on the AfD plus an administrator spending time relisting and closing the AfD, and tidying up afterwards) but they have to be receptive to such advice. --Michig (talk) 18:22, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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You might want to see WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Alleged paid editing. Johnuniq (talk) 11:27, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Shame the editor who started the thread didn't notify me. --Michig (talk) 12:01, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Amentini Motors

Is there any way to capture the info that was on this page? I meant to copy it before it was deleted, but I forgot. Thanks. Could it be put back in my sandbox perhaps? I promise not to attempt any restoration. Casmeli (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Userified at User:Casmeli/Amentini Motors. If you are not able to deal with the reason for deletion, please tag it with {{Db-u1}} when you've finished with it, as it can't be left there indefinitely. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 15:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hi! I noticed that you had closed this. Do you mind if this could be relisted for a week? I noticed that Agricola44 had posted an interesting comment just 20 minutes before the close and it seems the discussion on this AfD was still going on. I would be glad if this is reopened so that the editors can respond to the concerns. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:33, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I feel that there was sufficient consensus to keep. Apart from the nominator and one other argument favouring deletion (there's also another editor who !voted delete but their argument is much the same as they've put in every other AfD they've particpated in, usually being proved wrong, so can't be given any weight) we had 7 editors in favour of keeping. --Michig (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I understand. My point is not the consensus on the AfD but the fact that it would have been better for the discussion to continue. The AfD was actually discussing an important point about one particular source and whether it is reliable and useful for notability (which would probably be beneficial for future AfDs). I felt that the closure kind of stopped this conversation. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

• I agree with Lemongirl942. Many of the "keeps" had no supporting evidence (e.g. "Keep, passes GNG. SarahSV"), but a few pointed to the source that I had rebutted a few minutes before it was closed. The validity of this source has a great bearing on the course of the debate, but had no real chance of being discussed. Thanks, Agricola44 (talk) 15:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC).

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Hi, could you please check out my notes here: User:K.e.coffman/Sanbox/Music. These bands / albums have been tagged for notability since 2008, and I'd like to consult with you on whether the tags should be removed or the articles PRODed. Please feel free to leave notes on the page. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Comments added on your page. --Michig (talk) 06:29, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I will likely add the links you provided to the respective Talk pages, in case someone wants to improve the articles. Will rm notability tags / redirect as suggested. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:33, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

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I'm wondering if there may any sources out there for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alarm (magazine). It seems to be worth keeping, but I cannot find much. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:56, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

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I'm curious if Pandora bylined reviews are considered RS? sample. Thank you. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm not able to access anything on Pandora at the moment as it seems they don't permit access from the UK, and I don't know much about the site. Might be best to raise this at WP:RSN. --Michig (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

User at it again

You've previously blocked HoldenV8 (talk · contribs). Whilst use of citations has improved, some bad habits are persisting. [13]. LibStar (talk) 15:12, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Michig, I suggest that HoldenV8 (talk · contribs) could possibly get some mentoring about Australian motorsport from Falcadore (talk · contribs) @Falcadore:.--Shirt58 (talk) 09:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to make that suggestion to either or both editors. --Michig (talk) 10:15, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I feel like that should be just deleted. Even if a citation could be found, it says up front it is speculation! WP:SPECULATION --Falcadore (talk) 11:58, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to revert it - anyone can do that. --Michig (talk) 12:01, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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About deleted article Sachin Hemmady (social worker)

Hi Michig,
And @Cahk:, I think that was somewhat WP:BITEy. Some guy posts what should have been a userpage - not a good userpage, I agree - and we delete it without stopping to think about what the newbie experience is like.
I've said my piece. That's all. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:17, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Are you serious? Someone creates an article about themself with no indication of notability, including their contact details asking people for donations, and you think that is in any way a valid Wikipedia article? --Michig (talk) 09:29, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry @Shirt58:, but I disagree. If that page was not an unambiguous advertisement, then frankly I don't know what would be. Regardless if it was on mainspace or user page, I'd have tagged them for CSD either way. --Cahk (talk) 12:05, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Benny Hill

I left out the scatological "question" so what remains is someone asking why "the allegations" are not mentioned and my reply, "What allegations?" As they are yet to answer the nature of "the allegations" is unknown. I find it a bit of a stretch to call that "repeated accusations of perversion". Britmax (talk) 13:55, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at the talk page history, and the deleted revisions. There is a pattern of abuse here. --Michig (talk) 14:32, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

There may have been "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material" but this small inconclusive exchange does not need removing on its own merits. Britmax (talk) 11:28, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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Ken Boothe 14 October 2016

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Boothe

Hello Michig,

Thank you for your assistance with source information on the page for Ken Boothe. Since discogs.com is not a reliable enough source, can you please confirm if these two sources are reliable?: 1) http://www.roots-archives.com/artist/138 2) http://www.allmusic.com/album/everything-i-own--the-best-of-ken-boothe-mw0000233420

Please let me know. Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it. -Celaur — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celaur (talk • contribs) 07:43, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Roots Archives is an excellent site. Of the two, Allmusic, as a professional site, would be better to use as a source. --Michig (talk) 09:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Fantastic. Thank you very much, Michig. Enjoy the weekend. Best, Celaur (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:36, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

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Martin Stone (guitarist)

Pal of mine. Just kicked the bucket. For sure. Someone posted it unreffed. Bound to be a source soon. Perhaps you want to supervise? Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the details of death until a reliable source is available. --Michig (talk) 20:47, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Not RS but.. [14]. I did a news search, still nothing. Wwwhatsup (talk) 20:58, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I found that and a couple of forum posts, but nothing citeable. --Michig (talk) 21:01, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

You got to that Telegraph obit before I did. Good job. Perhaps deserves to be in the ELs? Wwwhatsup (talk) 11:00, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for your help

Thank you for taking Hesham Nazih wikipedia page down, I am creating a new page for him now with all the right info and links

Is there is question please contact me

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Thank you

Mhagin (talk) 23:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

I created a new page for Hesham but it was deleted, i am new here, would you please help me. Thank you --Mhagin (talk) 09:55, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

The recently deleted version was substantially the same as the one deleted at AfD, and therefore qualified for speedy deletion. If you feel the subject is sufficiently notable, I would recommend that you create an article in draft space, and wait until you have found, and cited, several reliable sources that demonstrate the subject's notability before creating an article in mainspace. --Michig (talk) 10:39, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Premier Genie AfD

Hi, I noticed you placed a comment on the afd after I modified it - the author of it nominated it for speedy, I don't think he fully understood what AfD is for and confused it with speeding. I have closed the discussion, as target page itself was nominated for speedying. Thanks Nördic Nightfury 11:52, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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I am correct, not "wrong", about how NMUSIC works: NMUSIC does explicitly state that substantive reliable source coverage is required, and absent that an NMUSIC criterion cannot be passed simply by asserting that it's passed. That's explicitly stated right in NMUSIC as written, so I am not "wrong" about it. Bearcat (talk) 22:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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