User talk:Sonoet2

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dates on items for artwork

Hello! If an artwork does not have a date, and/or a date is not stated in a particular source, please make sure you aren't creating an erroneous date statement, e.g. that the inception (P571) of Untitled (The Fields are White for to Harvest; and the Storms of Judgement Are Threatening) (Q116619363) was in the year 0001. Thanks! Jamie7687 (talk) 05:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Jamie7687! Something in my initial openRefine / quick statements batch upload must have gotten messed up. I'll check the others in this batch to see if there are more like this. 107.13.131.221 13:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Jamie7687 (talk) 20:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding lengthy descriptions

Hi Sonoet2, you shouldn't be doing mass edits like this one. Adding "Smithsonian American Art Museum" and the inventory number to every painting is not in line with Help:Description. Please revert the batch and discuss this first before doing these kind of mass edits. Multichill (talk) 20:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Multichill I’m in the process of reverting these.

Let’s discuss. I’d like to do make these description edits in order to create consistency with other items being added from SAAM’s collection. This is similar NGA’s use of descriptions like “sculpture in the National Gallery of Art (NGA 1997.24)” for all the items their collection. Sonoet2 (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC) 22:28, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for undoing these edits. Those descriptions shouldn't be used for NGA either. When I look at the paintings, I only see it on items like Untitled (Q20196221): painting by Lorser Feitelson (NGA, 1975.78.1) where it needs to be disambiguated.

What you're doing is sometimes called "lazy disambiguation"; So instead of doing disambiguation when it's needed (how it's described on Help:Description), you do it on every item because that's easier with a robot (or other automated tool).

What is the added value for the user of Wikidata to have these long descriptions? Multichill (talk) 08:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. I wanted to be consistent with NGA, but misunderstood the approach they were taking because it seemed to be applied to all sculpture: Q63809537. Many sculptures are editions like prints. They might have done this for all sculpture in case any were edition. If so, I think that’s reasonable, but I’ll avoid doing the same.

I had previously only been adding these identifiers for disambiguation purposes, so I will go back to that.

Thanks @Multichill for taking the time to discuss this with me. I also reverted another batch of similar edits I made on sculpture.Sonoet2 (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

It's not an easy subject. The general description of paintings is "painting by <some painter>". When two paintings of the same (or similar) name exists, disambiguation needs to happen. This is often done by putting the collection or year made in the description. If multiple paintings with same title are in the same collection (think of for example "untitled"), you sometimes end up adding the inventory number. Robots use this logic, but often need a human to fine tune the descriptions. Bedroom in Arles (Q724377) is always a nice example.

For prints, where you are nearly certain that multiple versions exist, always doing disambiguation seems a sensible approach. Multichill (talk) 12:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

It’s good to know that always doing disambiguation seems sensible if we’re nearly certain there are multiples. That’s helpful guidance. I might want to take this approach for the prints in the collection when we get there. Thanks again! Sonoet2 (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Victor J. Evans

Hello Sonoet2 -- I'm glad you added Victor Justice Evans (Q110088997). I work on historical patents and can show he was a patent attorney/agent and had an interesting and significant history. His occupation here is listed as "artist." But is it possible he was a donor of artworks, not himself an artist? -- econterms (talk) 03:19, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Econterms -- I trust your judgement since you know this person and have references. Short answer: Please feel free to edit their description to something like "American patent attorney" and to change the occupation to something else. I won't revert your changes, and I'd be happy to do it myself if you prefer. Thanks for being in touch.

More context if you're interested: I included "artist" as an occupation because this was batch uploaded from SAAM's collection and based on the fact that he was listed as the artist on the following work: https://americanart.si.edu/artwork/historical-pageant-8128. Donors, inventors, etc. would get listed separately like on this item: https://americanart.si.edu/artwork/sewing-machine-81808. I can't see what Historical Pageant looks like, so I don't know what it is. SAAM does have some inventions that are included in the collection as examples of American design work (like the sewing machine I linked to). It's also possible this Evans had some hidden talents. I can try to make an inquiry. 107.13.139.199 21:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

dates on items

Hello! For date statements on artworks/artifacts, please make sure you are specifying e.g. "18. century" where that is called for, instead of "18 CE" (the latter being the year 0018 of the current era). Examples that I've fixed today: Boy with Dog (Q125024247), Grandfather Clock (Q125140599) Thanks! Jamie7687 (talk) 18:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)